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Post by NovaStorm on Jul 4, 2014 15:32:42 GMT
Piplup is yet another major reason Dawn might return; from what I hear, Piplup is extremely popular!
Piplup = Dawn. The only stand alone showing of a Piplup in the anime (XY22 Going for the Gold) proves this!
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Post by Blackscorpion2 on Jul 4, 2014 17:37:09 GMT
Heh, do you know how many people adore Piplup? There was a survey about the most adored Pokémon on another forum 3 months ago and Piplup won 2nd place after charmander(obviously XD). It's funny how Piplup is sometimes under-rated by many people even though he knows strong, offensive moves. Plus, did you see the size of his Whirlpool? Bet you didn't because the size varies in accordance to Piplups power. That little penguin deserves more praise.
Another factor which boosts up Dawns chances of return is Quilava who is without a doubt one of the most adorable starters out there.
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Post by ♪lєﻮєภ๔คгץקђєภ๏๓✞ on Jul 5, 2014 18:40:00 GMT
Not to mention the badass Typhlosion it evolves into XD
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Post by NovaStorm on Jul 5, 2014 19:11:08 GMT
I'm sure Dawn's Buneary is also popular enough for her to return, right?
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Post by Blackscorpion2 on Jul 11, 2014 16:29:42 GMT
Surely, Dawn's Buneary is living proof of Professor Oaks theory. Buneary is by far the most important Pokémon under Dawns possession when Pearlshipers are kept in mind; However, when we talk about the fan-base itself, I'd have to say that Piplup is the most adored one among all her six Pokémon.
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Post by ♪lєﻮєภ๔คгץקђєภ๏๓✞ on Jul 11, 2014 19:29:02 GMT
But Pikachu's and Piplup's friendship is reflective of the strong friendship Ash and Dawn have.
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Post by IceArceus on Jul 11, 2014 21:20:40 GMT
Piplup and Buneary are just as important. They reflect both the friendship and perhaps subconscious romantic part of their relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 17:49:08 GMT
We love SatoHika and we all want Hikari to appear in the animé again.
I am not an exception. But at the same time, I do realize that there are a number of arguments pointing to the possibility of Dawn never returning to the show.
The first thing to consider is the playing out of the final episode of Hikari's BW appearance, in which Ash and Dawn had a Pokémon battle. While this was not an official battle, one of the episode synopses dubbed it, if I remember correctly, "the finale of their journey". Keep in mind, though, that the actual goodbye moment did not indicate that it was their last farewell.
No hypothetical scenario whereby Hikari returns can involve Dawn becoming a permanent member of the cast. There is no denying that the main purpose of the anime is to advertise the games. From the marketing point of view, using an old game character is highly implausible. Thus, as long as Game Freak keep releasing new games, it seems virtually impossible for Dawn to be re-introduced full-time.
It can be also argued that Dawn stands little chance of being a cast member again, even if just temporarily, because she already made her appearance after leaving for the first time. This assumes that the only reason Dawn appeared during BW was to continue the alleged tradition of bringing back the female companion from the previous generation. Obviously, it seems more reasonable to think that the writers are not constrained by any patterns and are free to bring back any older character at whim. But I do reckon that is a valid point.
Is there a light in this pitch-dark tunnel? The only factor that I can see working in our favour is Dawn's special position amongst Ash's friends. Not only does Hikari have a unique, mutual relationship with Satoshi, but there is also no question that she is the most developed character Ash has ever travelled with. It would therefore be rather unwise for the animé staff to write Dawn out of the show for good. How convincing does this argument sound? I will let everyone judge for themselves.
To cut long story short: there is a real likelihood that we will not see Hikari in the Pokémon anime ever again. So how should we act? Well, let us do what people desperately craving for a change do: wait and hope.
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Post by ♪lєﻮєภ๔คгץקђєภ๏๓✞ on Jul 15, 2014 19:58:22 GMT
You have to remember that the anime does introduce or bring back characters to help promote a remake, and with the Gen IV remakes coming in 2016/2017, there is a possibility of Dawn returning to coincide with that.
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Post by Blackscorpion2 on Jul 15, 2014 21:36:17 GMT
We love SatoHika and we all want Hikari to appear in the animé again. I am not an exception. But at the same time, I do realize that there are a number of arguments pointing to the possibility of Dawn never returning to the show. The first thing to consider is the playing out of the final episode of Hikari's BW appearance, in which Ash and Dawn had a Pokémon battle. While this was not an official battle, one of the episode synopses dubbed it, if I remember correctly, "the finale of their journey". Keep in mind, though, that the actual goodbye moment did not indicate that it was their last farewell. No hypothetical scenario whereby Hikari returns can involve Dawn becoming a permanent member of the cast. There is no denying that the main purpose of the anime is to advertise the games. From the marketing point of view, using an old game character is highly implausible. Thus, as long as Game Freak keep releasing new games, it seems virtually impossible for Dawn to be re-introduced full-time. It can be also argued that Dawn stands little chance of being a cast member again, even if just temporarily, because she already made her appearance after leaving for the first time. This assumes that the only reason Dawn appeared during BW was to continue the alleged tradition of bringing back the female companion from the previous generation. Obviously, it seems more reasonable to think that the writers are not constrained by any patterns and are free to bring back any older character at whim. But I do reckon that is a valid point. Is there a light in this pitch-dark tunnel? The only factor that I can see working in our favour is Dawn's special position amongst Ash's friends. Not only does Hikari have a unique, mutual relationship with Satoshi, but there is also no question that she is the most developed character Ash has ever travelled with. It would therefore be rather unwise for the animé staff to write Dawn out of the show for good. How convincing does this argument sound? I will let everyone judge for themselves. To cut long story short: there is a real likelihood that we will not see Hikari in the Pokémon anime ever again. So how should we act? Well, let us do what people desperately craving for a change do: wait and hope. My dear friend, Marketing is all that matters. Here, you are taking an ordinary travelling companion in mind but do notice that this is Dawn Berlitz we're taking about. The female companion who completely shook the whole Black and White series when it was in dire need of help. I do believe that the Pokémon Games department has absolutely minor relations with the Anime. The main purpose of the anime is not to advertise the games, it's to add a new and more exciting branch to Pokémon itself. Advertising is a very minor and in-depth purpose which I believe is not being well-carried out by the anime. The writers will surely introduce a well-developed and loved character such as Dawn, if not for the games, then for the sake of the X and Y series themselves. If I may add a point, experienced watchers of the Pokémon anime will spot out the rating of a particular season at first sight. Do I need to describe Ash's performance in Kalos? I do believe that even you, my friend, can clearly see his development as trainer there. He is absolutely pathetic (Paul reference =3). I have my reasons to say this though. So we honestly believe that he is not a better trainer in Kalos than he was in Sinnoh, Hoenn or Unova(only keep the first season in mind). Better animation and battle themes don't make up a good anime, it's the characters, their personality, how much of a grip the directors have on the anime (Not saying that they don't. I mean, they're doing a great job, no doubt) and the plot-line. The first season is almost at it's end and we haven't even been introduced to Ash's rival yet. Heck, there isn't any prominent sign of him showing interest in actually competing or training his Pokémon for the league. His Pokémon aren't in too good a shape either, I mean, if you look at Froakie or Fletchling's progression then you'd be disappointed really. True Ash's Staraptor may have taken the most time to evolve but let's not forget that he is without a doubt the most compatible flying type Pokémon he has. He even has a very effective fighting type move and the thing's not even a fighting type Pokémon. Even Ash's Scraggy (who is just an infant Pokémon and is a dark type) has four moves that can pack a beating. Pikachu is shown to be stealthy, yet his real power is being masked, why? It's not the moves that worry me, it's the Pokémon. Now, I do actually believe Pauls' theory about not spoiling your Pokémon too much should be considered. Respect is one thing, but slaking off is another. Dawns reputation in Japan is extremely high, no doubt denying this fact. Surely, the viewers need a well developed and exciting character here because apparently this group of travelling companions are, infact, boring. Sure, you did try to convince us a little, but saying that Dawn may not return at all is just something that I had to correct. Traditions? I wouldn't worry about that now. The X and Y series have broken enough traditions and I do believe that they have the guts to break another. Saying that Hikari might not ever return...that really got me there. It would be a really amateurish move for the writers to make because by taking out Hikari, you take out hope. Ash only did well in the Sinnoh region because she was there to help him. Did I ever mention this pattern?: Indigo Conference (top 16) Silver Conference (top 8) Ever Grande Conference (top 8) Lily of the Valley Conference (top 4) Vertress Conference (top 8) Orange League (Champion) Kanto Battle Frontier (Champion) I won't mention the Kanto and Orange Island competitions because, well, Misty won't return and Brock and Tracy are even less likely to return. Plus, Gary is in Sinnoh so there is no chance of the kanto crew to join Ash anymore. What I wold ask you to consider is the difference in his position's. Lily of the Valley conference was held in Sinnoh and it had, by far, the MOST competitive rivals Ash ever met. Let's be honest, Gary or Trip can't compare with them =p Now, here is the question I've been dying to ask, Why was Ash THAT successful in Sinnoh? It's not like he was granted some powers or anything. It's because of the people that were there in Sinnoh with him. Dawn is the reason why Ash is many things he is today and let's not even think about disagreeing with the fact that she has alot to do with his success. Kalos...what can I say? I think he is apparently being stopped. It's always one thing after the other. Heck, even the gym leaders weren't much of a real challenge. His true potential is being contained. His Hawluchwa can do so much more. His froakie and his Fletching are great Pokémon, no doubt but why are they this...weak? He really needs someone his type, someone who cares about their future titles and realize that being a ten-year-old, there are better things to do in life then to go around a region, follow someone you like and prevent them from mastering their real potential because that is what Serena is. Clemont is doing many things to help her but how much can he do? Bonnie may be a comical addition but people will soon get tired of her even. The X and Y need Dawn to raise both entertainment and views, and this is something that is not said by me, but any other experienced viewer. |
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