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Post by kuzehiko on Oct 24, 2017 2:20:51 GMT
So who would win in a Pokémon battle between them? While XYZ Ash gathered a very strong team and fully evolved them I feel like his Pokémon team did not get character development at all. It was like he just caught them, they battled for a while and then evolved with any hardship at all and that is how XYZ Ash was so strong was because of that. On the other Hand DP Ash's team was strong towards the end of DP but unlike XYZ Ash, DP Ash was a very strategist trainer and could come up with something when the situation wasn't good and XYZ Ash somewhat improvised his skills during battles and he did not switch his Pokémon in a battle unlike DP Ash... I'd give it to DP Ash given on how his skills on battle truly felt real to me and I was able to see how he became mature and a better strategist and how hard he trained his Pokémon's moves and I also saw how he grew up with his Pokémon and travel companions. XYZ Ash became a badass but I wonder how did it happen? he came from his worst performance in a Pokémon League in BW and all of sudden he became so badass like that with zero character development... so I'm definitely giving this to DP Ash.
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Post by princessbisket on Oct 24, 2017 5:47:44 GMT
Blazefernape vs ashninja: sadly has to go to ashninja (even though I think most of the fandom overrates him). Blazefernape has to be in critical condition, & water>fire & blaze only boosts fire moves.
Staraptor vs talonflame: I vote staraptor as its ash’s best regional bird.
Torterra vs goodra: suicide mountain kills torterra, goodra wins. Though, as turtwig it did A LOT better than goodra’s previous forms...
Glisor vs halucha: glisor wins. In all honesty, I can’t really recall halucha being that useful later on (though that might be all ashninga’s fault).
Gibile vs noi...vern? (so bad with gen 6 pkmn): tough guess. It’d make sense for noiwhatever to win here, but gible was boss at league as he beat Conway mostly by himself (while nobody but pika & ashninja did stuff at league for kalos). He even got compliments from trollbis. So I’d go with gible.
So in my opinion, the tight race goes to sinnoh.
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Post by kuzehiko on Oct 24, 2017 13:14:48 GMT
Well, it will depend on how DP Ash manages to use his Pokémon.. He would stop Ash-Greninja with Pikachu (Who got a major feat by drawing against Latios) and We've already seen how not fully evolved Pokémon can beat Mega Evolutions so it is likely to happen.
DP Ash also has an advantage cause he does switch his Pokémon when needed unlike XYZ Ash which makes it a disadvantage to XYZ Ash.
About how DP Ash would handle against XYZ Pikachu I think Blaze Infernape would deal with it.
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Post by Nafsika on Oct 24, 2017 16:22:07 GMT
I don't know both Ash had their advantages and disadvantages!
DP Ash trained with his Pokémon and knew their weak spots. He was more strategic and he got to the point to create his own move to bit his rivals! And his team was strong but also some Pokémon were really weak like Torterra! After his evolution he had no wins!
XY/Z Ash was strong and had some really strong Pokémon but he didn't trained with all of them, like Goodra which after its evolution returned back home! Another Pokémon that had little screen time was Noivern and he lost most of his battles or came to a draw!
So of what I see a battle between will have end in a draw because they might be strong but their teams aren't perfect!
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Post by Nesh on Oct 24, 2017 16:38:06 GMT
Really XYZ Ash wins rather easily. Here's the problem. Ash is the sum of his experiences, these sagas don't happen in a vacuum, here's progressio (Save Black and White and mybe Sun and Moon of course) XYZ Ash would know the strengths and weaknesses of DP Ash and his Pokémon, he's lived through that. Sinnoh Ash can't surprise Kalos Ash while Kalos Ash has new Pokémon and new tactics.
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Post by kuzehiko on Oct 25, 2017 1:36:30 GMT
I respectfully disagree.
Ash's character got ''reset'' in BW (Which was confirmed by the staff themselves) so in fact, Ash started from scratch in BW. This means all his maturity and skills he earned over past series got lost. Ash's badassy in XYZ makes no sense to me.. XYZ Ash was really rushed. I mean he lost against a noob in Unova League and all of sudden Ash became a badass trainer without development at all? I can't buy it that easy.
DP Ash makes much more sense to me given on how tough he struggled on his gym battles.. He trained harder and harder to master his Pokémon's moves.. DP Ash improvised his strategist skills to the point of becoming into a pretty good strategist.. There was also Ash-Paul rivalry which clearly made Ash grow up into a better trainer... My point is there actually existed a character development for DP Ash so I find it unfair to put DP Ash behind XYZ when the latter barely got a proper character development.
DP Ash is the best and strongest version of Ash's classic Pokémon so I actually can see him winning against XYZ Ash if he uses his Pokémon team correctly as I said above. I think XYZ Ash's Pokémon team is hella strong but it is not unbeatable.
It's just my opinion though. I'm glad you think differently because it is interesting to find out what others' opinion is!
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Post by Nesh on Oct 25, 2017 5:48:43 GMT
It's best to just pretend Unova never happened. Chart a course for Ash from Kanto to Kalos without Unova and you get a straight upward trend. Besides as painful as Unova is as much we hate to admit it, it is the same Ash, bad writing doesn't negate that, he has those experiences whether he uses them or not.
As much as you'd love to claim a reset, the show itself shows otherwise, he has Charizard, he traveled with Dawn, all the stuff through DP happened to BW Ash and Kalos comes after BW. The writing in BW was terrible, that much is true, but it didn't take away everything that came before and make a new character.
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Post by kuzehiko on Oct 25, 2017 7:14:12 GMT
I agree BW was bad, I enjoyed some parts though. I meant he mostly suffered a reset in his personality and skills, not on his past experiences and that is why BW still counts, we like it or not. I might pretend Unova never happened but I really liked it when Dawn returned so I guess I can't, haha.
Yet XYZ Ash did not get a proper character development that could've explained on how he became so damn badass like that so it's not easy to pass over it.
However, I still think DP Ash has chances to beat him depending on how'd he use his Pokémon. Let's not forget DP Ash did beat two legendary Pokémon and he practically was the 2nd best trainer in the Sinnoh League given nobody else ever could beat Tobias's Darkrai besides DP Ash.
Legendary Pokémon > Mega Evolution imo.
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Post by Nesh on Oct 25, 2017 7:27:02 GMT
The skills came from those past experiences though, you can't separate one from the other. If Ash went through Sinnoh which is repeatedly acknowledged then he had those battles, he knows those tactics, he knows those Pokémon and he knows himself. XYZ Ash has two regions worth of experience on DP Ash and knows all of DP Ash's Pokémon and tactics just as well as he does while also have learned things DP Ash hasn't. It's rather open and shut.
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Post by kuzehiko on Oct 25, 2017 21:51:01 GMT
If I can't separate them then I can't pretend BW did not happen and if he was skilled and stuff then why did he lose like a noob in the Unova League when Ash came from doing such a great performance in the Sinnoh League? It makes no sense to me. He clearly got reset his skills otherwise he should've done better in the Unova League
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