Hoenn Champion
Somehow all these problems keep on landing on Me
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OTP: Saber X Shirou.
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Post by shiny.pikachu on Sept 7, 2014 4:41:05 GMT
Dang this thread masked me think of the battle of my multi ship for control
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Post by FinesseMalkin on Oct 2, 2014 14:57:46 GMT
Haha, the war of the worlds! Serena, as a character, is so undeveloped compared to the other girls. Misty was the hyper one to fill in Ash's gaps. May was like a student to Ash so that fans could possible relate to her. Dawn was his equal, & Iris was probably there so Pokémon wouldn't look racist by having a lack of a diversity of skin colour (& strange habits like the hair. Ew.). Serena's a Mary Sue, which I think was like that to keep up with the romantic &/or sexualized society. Like I said, the argument is just ridiculous.
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Kanto Trainer
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Post by Speedy_Fox_IV on Oct 10, 2014 0:36:29 GMT
I find it silly when they say one Poke girl is better than the other. They all have their own strengths and weaknesses and appeal to different audiences. I personally didn't mind that May lost the Wallace cup. You must remember that May deiced that she wanted to be a Coordinator after she started her journey (she disliked Pokémon and was only getting one to give her an excuse to go on an adventure) while Dawn not only knew what she wanted to do at the start of her journey, she also had a famous Coordinator as a mother. From what I understand Dawn was all Coordinator while May was a mix between a Trainer and a Coordinator (leaning more towards the Coordinator side of things). I think that part about May was pointed out in an AG episode but I might be misremembering things.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Aug 31, 2015 1:15:10 GMT
May came before Dawn, Dawn is just a ripoff of May. This is a common and very popular remark made by many Dawn critics. Not just Advanceshippers, but other shippers as well, notably Pokeshippers. It is obviously because Dawn is also a coordinator and the switch to TPCi that many fans disagree about. Usually a remark such as this one is more about the pokegirls themselves but Ash can sometimes be tied in. There are things that some (not all) older shippers cannot see that set Dawn apart due to bias or nostalgia. Well nostalgia is different for everyone, but bias is really something else. Saying that May is better just because she came first is all just emotion. It wouldn't be the same if Dawn came first, now would it? This is how I feel when people say that May is better than Dawn for coming first. This also refers to those saying "the show sucked" after AG, but oh well. At least Ash had actual rivals in DP (no May's rivals didn't make up for the rivals Ash didn't have, except for Advanceshipping of course) This is like saying serena is ripping off may. Serena didn't have a goal, exactly like may. Clearly, by what they say, serena is a ripoff. Now as much as i dislike serena, this is not true. Keep in mind, serena was just confused. May straight up didn't care. Dawn is NOT a rip off of may. Sure they have the same goal but they're still very different characters. Dawn was the one girl that knew exactly what her goal was and actually stuck to it from day one despite the hardships, unlike iris and misty who got side tracked and weren't very insistant on their goal. May didn't really care at first. Then, as she progressed and developed, she started caring more. I always thought that dawn did it better because of her passion that may lacked. Dawn had her mom, zoey, her losing streak, the entirety of ambipom, mamoswine's disobedience, Ursula using plusle and minun that one time just to piss her off.... the list goes on about dawn's hard ships. And she still kept with it. She didn't stop. She knew what she wanted and would do anything to get it. Thats where she's different from may. Of course may still wanted to be top coordinator, but i think the reason she did worse than dawn was because of her lack of passion for her goal. So, when people say that may is just a better dawn and that dawn is just may 2.0 or a worse may or a fanservice may or a more annoying may they need to go back and watch dp because dawn is so much more than that and honestly it's not fair to her either.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Aug 31, 2015 1:19:25 GMT
Haha, the war of the worlds! Serena, as a character, is so undeveloped compared to the other girls. Misty was the hyper one to fill in Ash's gaps. May was like a student to Ash so that fans could possible relate to her. Dawn was his equal, & Iris was probably there so Pokémon wouldn't look racist by having a lack of a diversity of skin colour (& strange habits like the hair. Ew.). Serena's a Mary Sue, which I think was like that to keep up with the romantic &/or sexualized society. Like I said, the argument is just ridiculous. Sorry? But iris was brought in because she was the most well recognized female representative of black and white. Plus her back story was super interesting too. It wasn't a matter of racial acceptance. Also iris was just so much cooler than eveyone in bw. being a gym leader, being chmapion later, her roles in the manga, her backstory, and her unique design. You're totally right about serena though. She's by far the biggest disappointment. Iris was more developed than serena by this point which is saying alot because she was seriously lacking development.
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Post by IceArceus on Sept 1, 2015 9:57:32 GMT
Haha, the war of the worlds! Serena, as a character, is so undeveloped compared to the other girls. Misty was the hyper one to fill in Ash's gaps. May was like a student to Ash so that fans could possible relate to her. Dawn was his equal, & Iris was probably there so Pokémon wouldn't look racist by having a lack of a diversity of skin colour (& strange habits like the hair. Ew.). Serena's a Mary Sue, which I think was like that to keep up with the romantic &/or sexualized society. Like I said, the argument is just ridiculous. Sorry? But iris was brought in because she was the most well recognized female representative of black and white. Plus her back story was super interesting too. It wasn't a matter of racial acceptance. Also iris was just so much cooler than eveyone in bw. being a gym leader, being chmapion later, her roles in the manga, her backstory, and her unique design. You're totally right about serena though. She's by far the biggest disappointment. Iris was more developed than serena by this point which is saying alot because she was seriously lacking development. Anime wise, Iris was a pretty mediocre character though, and I think that's what my colleague meant. Her backstory was unique, but they could have done so much more with her, and I would have wanted them to (not least give her four full seasons like everyone else, because Serena is such a poor character even in comparison to Iris). And I think there IS a hint of racial diversity in the character of Iris. In the later gens there are definitely more characters of different races in comparison to the early gens, both in the anime and games.
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Post by SmellYaLater on Nov 23, 2015 21:38:44 GMT
May became before Dawn, yeah so what? If it was the other way round, it would of course be may getting the hate for being a copy.
I'm getting sick of this whole "this character came first so he/she is the best" line the some fans say and May is almost NOTHING like Dawn.
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Sinnoh Elite
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Post by PlatinumSun on Nov 23, 2015 23:02:24 GMT
But, Arceus came first so it is the best.
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Johto Trainer
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Post by frosty on Jul 23, 2016 11:20:36 GMT
By that logic, Misty's better than May.
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Post by satohika on Aug 9, 2016 1:04:25 GMT
May is more similar to Serena than Dawn. Dawn and Serena are nothing alike except same face. With the exception of them being coordinators, May and Dawn were dissimilar from each other.
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