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Post by pkpeachbomber on Aug 13, 2015 16:11:54 GMT
So, I'd like to compare dawn with may, misty, iris and serena together as a whole or separate at certain points in the anime (ex: beginning vs end, accomplishments, failures, hardships...) I'll start. Who developed the best in the show? In order.... Dawn may iris misty serena The only reason misty isn't last is bc of how many episodes she had. May developed alot like dawn, but u don't think as much (not nearly as well as dawn in my opinion) Iris wasn't bad she was just lack luster and honestly she developed more than misty did by her 3rd season. Misty was just so mean. Serena HASN'T DONE ANYTHING BUT CRY AND BLUSH AND CRY SOME MORE AND THE GET OVER HER CRYING JUST TO START WHINING ABOUT HOW SHES A FAILURE. I like serena as a character but they just aren't doing anything with her. They're too focused on her crush (and keep in mind it's totally one sided? ) And not enough on her goal. Her character is totally scattered and unorganized. If she ends up being kalos queen or whatever I'll be so mad because shes only developed once through her entire tripokalon thing and she's not even getting anywhere with it. She's seriously bugging me right now and i really want to like her because she's cute and totally adorable but they just.... aren't doing anything with her. The one thing i wanna say about dawn to support my claim is the whiny girly girl with the huge clothing bag that got lost all the time, couldn't ride a bike or read a map correctly and always depended on her mom compared to the strong independent dawn that learned how it was okay to lose and leanred from all her mistakes. The one that was up against zoey in the grand festival. Dawn developed so so so much more than the rest of the girls did and i could go on a tangent as to how but i won't. What do you guys think?
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Post by DawnForever101 on Aug 13, 2015 16:28:23 GMT
I agree, Dawn did develop the most of the five girls and hence became my favourite character! I mean, she went from a girl that couldn't read a map correctly to a person that placed top 2 in Sinnoh. Same for May, she went from a girl who was actually scared of Pokémon to the "Princess of Hoenn" but I think Dawn got more development than May because she knew exactly what she wanted to be from the very beginning. Misty was a tomboyish girl and I respect that. I don't think she had that much development towards her as a character. Sure, she did have a goal, but have we seen episodes that dedicate towards her? Barely. I disliked Misty at the start of the show because of her mean attitude and her violent behaviour towards Ash. Some people consider me stupid for not liking Misty but I say that nostalgia is clouding their vision. Iris was nearly the same as well except we got to know more of her backstories and other interesting facts about her. Yes, Serena hasn't had much of a development towards her but I don't think I can compare her just as yet. The anime is still halfway to go, although if they keep up this act with the "crush on Ash" thing then it's useless for Serena to even be compared to someone as great as Dawn.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Aug 13, 2015 17:11:38 GMT
I agree, Dawn did develop the most of the five girls and hence became my favourite character! I mean, she went from a girl that couldn't read a map correctly to a person that placed top 2 in Sinnoh. Same for May, she went from a girl who was actually scared of Pokémon to the "Princess of Hoenn" but I think Dawn got more development than May because she knew exactly what she wanted to be from the very beginning. Misty was a tomboyish girl and I respect that. I don't think she had that much development towards her as a character. Sure, she did have a goal, but have we seen episodes that dedicate towards her? Barely. I disliked Misty at the start of the show because of her mean attitude and her violent behaviour towards Ash. Some people consider me stupid for not liking Misty but I say that nostalgia is clouding their vision. Iris was nearly the same as well except we got to know more of her backstories and other interesting facts about her. Yes, Serena hasn't had much of a development towards her but I don't think I can compare her just as yet. The anime is still halfway to go, although if they keep up this act with the "crush on Ash" thing then it's useless for Serena to even be compared to someone as great as Dawn. Yeah honestly i think I'd place iris above misty now that i really think about it.... Iris at least developed more than her. I can't think of a time when misty did really... not to say that misty didn't develop bc she did, i just think iris did more
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Post by DawnForever101 on Aug 13, 2015 17:15:43 GMT
I agree, Dawn did develop the most of the five girls and hence became my favourite character! I mean, she went from a girl that couldn't read a map correctly to a person that placed top 2 in Sinnoh. Same for May, she went from a girl who was actually scared of Pokémon to the "Princess of Hoenn" but I think Dawn got more development than May because she knew exactly what she wanted to be from the very beginning. Misty was a tomboyish girl and I respect that. I don't think she had that much development towards her as a character. Sure, she did have a goal, but have we seen episodes that dedicate towards her? Barely. I disliked Misty at the start of the show because of her mean attitude and her violent behaviour towards Ash. Some people consider me stupid for not liking Misty but I say that nostalgia is clouding their vision. Iris was nearly the same as well except we got to know more of her backstories and other interesting facts about her. Yes, Serena hasn't had much of a development towards her but I don't think I can compare her just as yet. The anime is still halfway to go, although if they keep up this act with the "crush on Ash" thing then it's useless for Serena to even be compared to someone as great as Dawn. Yeah honestly i think I'd place iris above misty now that i really think about it.... Iris at least developed more than her. I can't think of a time when misty did really... not to say that misty didn't develop bc she did, i just think iris did more Honestly I prefer Iris over Misty any day. Sure, she calls Ash a kid most of the time but at least she doesn't FREAKING HIT ASH WITH A MALLET! Sorry, just had to point that out there.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Aug 13, 2015 17:23:41 GMT
Yeah honestly i think I'd place iris above misty now that i really think about it.... Iris at least developed more than her. I can't think of a time when misty did really... not to say that misty didn't develop bc she did, i just think iris did more Honestly I prefer Iris over Misty any day. Sure, she calls Ash a kid most of the time but at least she doesn't FREAKING HIT ASH WITH A MALLET! Sorry, just had to point that out there. Um don't be sorry? Misty was an abusive b@tch to ash. He had every right to call her gross unlikable and ugly bc thats just who she was to him. I mean, ash was kidding, but it's not like he was wrong tbh. I mean sure, misty has likable qualities. Like how she *can* be nice and *can* be supportive and *can* be caring but so can may (to a lesser extent), iris, dawn, and even serena. It's just that everything misty did the others did better. But one thing misty had on iris is that she actually went through with her goal and didnt spend all her time training excadrill..... but shes just... so.... mean..... Iris is absolutely adorable in the anime but is just portrayed poorly. However, black and white 2 iris is my favorite character from the videogame series. Shes great and deserves that champion slot.
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Post by IceArceus on Aug 13, 2015 17:27:26 GMT
development wise would you say Misty and Serena are around the same? I still prefer Misty to Serena though, because at least she isn't completely dependent on Ash.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Aug 13, 2015 17:29:55 GMT
development wise would you say Misty and Serena are around the same? I still prefer Misty to Serena though, because at least she isn't completely dependent on Ash. Yeah I'll take that. Misty was independent which i loved about her. Development wise i think misty is a bit further ahead though soley bc it wasn't rushed or forced or revolving around a one sided crush. But yeah... serena is way too dependent on ash
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Post by DawnForever101 on Aug 13, 2015 17:34:15 GMT
Honestly I prefer Iris over Misty any day. Sure, she calls Ash a kid most of the time but at least she doesn't FREAKING HIT ASH WITH A MALLET! Sorry, just had to point that out there. Um don't be sorry? Misty was an abusive b@tch to ash. He had every right to call her gross unlikable and ugly bc thats just who she was to him. I mean, ash was kidding, but it's not like he was wrong tbh. I mean sure, misty has likable qualities. Like how she *can* be nice and *can* be supportive and *can* be caring but so can may (to a lesser extent), iris, dawn, and even serena. It's just that everything misty did the others did better. But one thing misty had on iris is that she actually went through with her goal and didnt spend all her time training excadrill..... but shes just... so.... mean..... Iris is absolutely adorable in the anime but is just portrayed poorly. However, black and white 2 iris is my favorite character from the videogame series. Shes great and deserves that champion slot. Yes, she is supportive at times but most of the time she seems like a psychotic maniac chasing people around with mallets and arguing pointlessly 24/7...which may be an overstatement but I don't really care. Iris is a character that had potential but it seemed the writers failed to portray her effectively in the anime. I wonder...when/if she returns in the XY anime, what Serena's reaction would be if Iris calls Ash a kid again?
Champion Iris in the games was so much more awesome than anime Iris.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Aug 13, 2015 17:36:55 GMT
Um don't be sorry? Misty was an abusive b@tch to ash. He had every right to call her gross unlikable and ugly bc thats just who she was to him. I mean, ash was kidding, but it's not like he was wrong tbh. I mean sure, misty has likable qualities. Like how she *can* be nice and *can* be supportive and *can* be caring but so can may (to a lesser extent), iris, dawn, and even serena. It's just that everything misty did the others did better. But one thing misty had on iris is that she actually went through with her goal and didnt spend all her time training excadrill..... but shes just... so.... mean..... Iris is absolutely adorable in the anime but is just portrayed poorly. However, black and white 2 iris is my favorite character from the videogame series. Shes great and deserves that champion slot. Yes, she is supportive at times but most of the time she seems like a psychotic maniac chasing people around with mallets and arguing pointlessly 24/7...which may be an overstatement but I don't really care. Iris is a character that had potential but it seemed the writers failed to portray her effectively in the anime. I wonder...when/if she returns in the XY anime, what Serena's reaction would be if Iris calls Ash a kid again?
Champion Iris in the games was so much more awesome than anime Iris.
Yeah thats true as well. I see what you mean with misty. Iris though, you're right. She just didn't have enough screen time to develop which is sad because canonly she's an amazing character (manga and games) but strangely i think iris was pretty great in the movies alot like dawn Champion iris is great she even had a little back story which was cool. Her theme was amazing too
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Post by DawnForever101 on Aug 13, 2015 17:42:25 GMT
pkpeachbomber Yeah, so even though Iris didn't have much screen time, she'd be above Misty and Serena any day for me. A lot of people didn't like Iris at first but I gave her a chance. Yeah personally her theme is one of my favourites, next to Dawn's theme.
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