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Post by satohika on Oct 1, 2016 19:26:25 GMT
Yet they have neither the proof nor theorycraft to back their absurd claims. None of what they say would make any amount of plausible sense or have been 100% confirmed, most of it is just wishful thinking or fearing the worst. The thing is, they want to see Amour become canon before SM starts, which isn't likely going to happen. But at the same time I doubt they want to leave Amourshippers completely in the dark by telling them in some way all to go f**k off. Surely, if Serena has a one hour leaving special then that's good, right? I am of the opinion that Amour is virtually canon if Serena stays, because I don't see how it's NOT canon if she stays, and we have no proof Dawn is going to come back. Correction: If Serena is the ONLY one who stays, at the least they would consider Amour to be semi-canon in some form like Pearl. Somewhat bad for a lot of people, but it'll keep other Ash x other main girl ships from forming aside from Pearl and Amour. It just so happens that both Dawn and Serena are immensely popular and so are Pearl and Amour have largely taken over. This is what the staff intended to set up for the eventual endgame. There won't be any canon ship, it'll just be ambiguous. After all, the Japanese staff have promoted only Pearl and Amour so far, and that's as far as they will go. The only concrete evidence we have of Dawn coming back is largely off-screen, where Megumi Toyoguchi stated that she would definitely return as a main character to the series sometime in the future in her 2012 radio interview with the Team Rocket VAs. She didn't say maybe, she said 'definitely' or 'absolutely' and also she didn't say WHEN she will return. But Megumi Toyoguchi returning to the series is at least 90% to at most 100% chance of happening. But I doubt they would outright lie to everyone. They may convince people to mislead themselves based on assumptions, but that's about it. A lot of you guys are basing this on the dub version, but I consider the Japanese first before everything else. Again I can be wrong about this, but my theories aren't entirely baseless. If Megumi Toyoguchi returns to the main cast, it's highly likely we would see Mayuki Makiguchi remain in the main cast. She's rumored to still be working in Pokémon voicing someone or something.
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Post by IceArceus on Oct 1, 2016 19:37:04 GMT
Surely, if Serena has a one hour leaving special then that's good, right? I am of the opinion that Amour is virtually canon if Serena stays, because I don't see how it's NOT canon if she stays, and we have no proof Dawn is going to come back. Correction: If Serena is the ONLY one who stays, at the least they would consider Amour to be semi-canon in some form like Pearl. Somewhat bad for a lot of people, but it'll keep other Ash x other main girl ships from forming aside from Pearl and Amour. It just so happens that both Dawn and Serena are immensely popular and so are Pearl and Amour have largely taken over. This is what the staff intended to set up for the eventual endgame. There won't be any canon ship, it'll just be ambiguous. After all, the Japanese staff have promoted only Pearl and Amour so far, and that's as far as they will go. The only concrete evidence we have of Dawn coming back is largely off-screen, where Megumi Toyoguchi stated that she would definitely return as a main character to the series sometime in the future in her 2012 radio interview with the Team Rocket VAs. She didn't say maybe, she said 'definitely' or 'absolutely' and also she didn't say WHEN she will return. A lot of you guys are basing this on the dub version, but I consider the Japanese first before everything else. Again I can be wrong about this, but my theories aren't entirely baseless. If Megumi Toyoguchi returns to the main cast, it's highly likely we would see Mayuki Makiguchi remain in the main cast. She's rumored to still be working in Pokémon voicing someone or something. No, I wouldn't say I relied on the dub at all. Did Megumi say "mochiron" to whether she WILL return or whether she WOULD return? As you know, "would" would mean she was willing to return if they asked, but if she answered to "will" then that you could use as evidence. How do we know what the staff's endgame is, or is this speculation? EDIT. I also meant it as Serena being the only one staying in the first place.
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Post by satohika on Oct 1, 2016 19:59:04 GMT
Correction: If Serena is the ONLY one who stays, at the least they would consider Amour to be semi-canon in some form like Pearl. Somewhat bad for a lot of people, but it'll keep other Ash x other main girl ships from forming aside from Pearl and Amour. It just so happens that both Dawn and Serena are immensely popular and so are Pearl and Amour have largely taken over. This is what the staff intended to set up for the eventual endgame. There won't be any canon ship, it'll just be ambiguous. After all, the Japanese staff have promoted only Pearl and Amour so far, and that's as far as they will go. The only concrete evidence we have of Dawn coming back is largely off-screen, where Megumi Toyoguchi stated that she would definitely return as a main character to the series sometime in the future in her 2012 radio interview with the Team Rocket VAs. She didn't say maybe, she said 'definitely' or 'absolutely' and also she didn't say WHEN she will return. A lot of you guys are basing this on the dub version, but I consider the Japanese first before everything else. Again I can be wrong about this, but my theories aren't entirely baseless. If Megumi Toyoguchi returns to the main cast, it's highly likely we would see Mayuki Makiguchi remain in the main cast. She's rumored to still be working in Pokémon voicing someone or something. No, I wouldn't say I relied on the dub at all. Did Megumi say "mochiron" to whether she WILL return or whether she WOULD return? As you know, "would" would mean she was willing to return if they asked, but if she answered to "will" then that you could use as evidence. How do we know what the staff's endgame is, or is this speculation? EDIT. I also meant it as Serena being the only one staying in the first place. Yes, Megumi Toyoguchi did say 'mochiron', that she definitely 'will return', and when asked if she wants to return. If the general opinion amongst Japanese Pearlshippers is almost very much in favor for a Dawn return, then it's highly likely, still not 100%. Jessie's VA asked if she really wants to return, she said that she definitely will return, not that she definitely wants to return. I mean I don't think the staff would let this fly by unless if they deliberately planned it. The writers use titles to hype people up or evoke some level of reaction, but they usually never deliver what people are actually expecting, like in the case of the Kalos 'league victory', Serena's dance, Serena's first 'date', Serena's 'last battle' and even Serena 'leaving' for that matter. They're getting people hyped up about Serena 'leaving' but it could end up being the opposite instead. Thus there is something bigger than the prospect of Serena's future in XYZ that the staff are hiding. They haven't revealed the voice actor cast for SM yet. Also with the way the summaries are worded, it seems that Serena (since Dedenne is the only sad one) is going to Kanto with Ash and the others (And 'Satoshi-tachi' never refers to just Ash and Pikachu alone, in DP at the last episode, 'Satoshi-tachi' is used to refer to both Ash and Brock in Dawn's case), but after that, it's very unclear as to what would happen. I mean of course I can be completely wrong. But this is the closest we can get. Especially with NX games very likely to release next year, within 6 months of its launch.
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Post by SmellYaLater on Oct 1, 2016 20:20:53 GMT
I appreciate you optimism but this sounds like a recipe for disaster. Pokémon is too predictable so i think what will probably happen is they'll go to pallet town and Delia will meet Serena for the first time and potentially... something nightmarish will happen for us. None of the other character wont return as the main focus throughout the series has been those four. I could be wrong and i hope im wrong but thats how i see it unfortunately. I doubt it, having Serena alone without another girl her age is basically saying Amour is canon. But Amour has made little progress and too much trolling Amourshippers with troll episodes, so I doubt they would make Amour canon this early.. Megumi Toyoguchi, whose main role is only Dawn, said that she'll definitely return to the series as a main character. That's not a 'maybe', at the time she said 'mochiron' which means 'definitely' or 'absolutely', in the context of coming back as a main character. There is a yearly reference to Dawn each year. We have yet to receive one for 2016. If Serena were the only one to go to Alola, they would have revealed her by now. But they're hiding something greater, wanting everyone to watch XYZ till the very end. So I look at the greater perspective of things. The staff have never outright lied to anyone, they just make people mislead themselves. It's also interesting because Dawn's VA has met almost every single voice actor/actress of Brock, Cilan, Misty, May, Iris and even Serena. Mayuki Makiguchi voiced a minor character in a DP movie I believed before her Serena role. Megumi Toyoguchi voiced Princess Sara in AG and a character that also happened to be named 'Serena' in the OS. Yeah but i think thats exactly what they want to do; Make amour canon. Fans are literally screaming for something to happen and its something the writers wont ignore. They've already wound them up for not letting Ash win the Kalos league. Plus xy is very well writen so amour could probably become canao any episode for all we know. I know im negative but i am just being honest about the situation
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Post by satohika on Oct 1, 2016 20:36:25 GMT
I doubt it, having Serena alone without another girl her age is basically saying Amour is canon. But Amour has made little progress and too much trolling Amourshippers with troll episodes, so I doubt they would make Amour canon this early.. Megumi Toyoguchi, whose main role is only Dawn, said that she'll definitely return to the series as a main character. That's not a 'maybe', at the time she said 'mochiron' which means 'definitely' or 'absolutely', in the context of coming back as a main character. There is a yearly reference to Dawn each year. We have yet to receive one for 2016. If Serena were the only one to go to Alola, they would have revealed her by now. But they're hiding something greater, wanting everyone to watch XYZ till the very end. So I look at the greater perspective of things. The staff have never outright lied to anyone, they just make people mislead themselves. It's also interesting because Dawn's VA has met almost every single voice actor/actress of Brock, Cilan, Misty, May, Iris and even Serena. Mayuki Makiguchi voiced a minor character in a DP movie I believed before her Serena role. Megumi Toyoguchi voiced Princess Sara in AG and a character that also happened to be named 'Serena' in the OS. Yeah but i think thats exactly what they want to do; Make amour canon. Fans are literally screaming for something to happen and its something the writers wont ignore. They've already wound them up for not letting Ash win the Kalos league. Plus xy is very well writen so amour could probably become canao any episode for all we know. I know im negative but i am just being honest about the situation With all the teasing and trolling? I doubt it. Amourshippers literally begged for Ash to dance with Serena but they still didn't. The best they can do at this point is bring her to Kanto yet not attempt to escalate it at this point. I mean, Serena's character is written in a way where she is her own worst enemy when it comes to Amour. I mean they would have made Pearl canon in a similar fashion but I doubt they're replacing Dawn with Serena. Both of them don't even have the same roster. Dawn's roster is closer to Misty's and Serena's roster is closer to May's. If they gave Serena another Buneary with another crush on Pikachu or something, yeah that could mean that they're making amour canon in some way, but I doubt it. They're not making Amour canon any time soon, it's still one-sided. Ash still cares more about Dawn. There's still no progress in Amour for years. Yet at the same time it's a double edged sword when it comes to Dawn's return since Pearl and Amour are literally polar opposites. In order for Amour to progress, Serena has to notice Pearl. In order for Pearl to advance, Dawn has to notice Serena's one-sided crush. Serena has shown time and time again she can't do much on her own, there's nobody to push her in taking the initiative. Dawn has done a lot more for Ash than Serena ever will. Dawn is Ash's best friend. Serena wants to be 'Ash's bride', but can't seem to be on the same level as Dawn is.
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Post by PikaFUSION on Oct 1, 2016 20:56:20 GMT
For real?!?! If so then *throws confetti* GOOD NEWS PEARLSHIPPERS! www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?653963-Oct-27th-XY-amp-Z047-A-Zero-With-No-End!-Until-the-Day-we-Meet-Again "Ash and the others head to the airport to set off on their new adventure. But Dedenne doesn't want to say goodbye and ends up running off." Dedenne belongs to Bonnie and Clemont. Ash never leaves a region alone by himself and Pikachu. Serena may be leaving Kalos, but everyone will be in for a surprise as soon as Ash arrives in Kanto. Dedenne is acting the same way Piplup was acting at the last DP episode. Guys, something great WILL happen! Dawn coming back will get everyone hyped over the SM series! Translation: [Celebration] voice actor Megumi Toyoguchi is married and pregnant! Such as Pokémon Hikari Pokémon-matome.net/articles/119618.html ...: Pokerin # Pokémon Good theroy, but unlikey
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Post by PlatinumSun on Oct 1, 2016 20:56:21 GMT
I doubt it, having Serena alone without another girl her age is basically saying Amour is canon. But Amour has made little progress and too much trolling Amourshippers with troll episodes, so I doubt they would make Amour canon this early.. Megumi Toyoguchi, whose main role is only Dawn, said that she'll definitely return to the series as a main character. That's not a 'maybe', at the time she said 'mochiron' which means 'definitely' or 'absolutely', in the context of coming back as a main character. There is a yearly reference to Dawn each year. We have yet to receive one for 2016. If Serena were the only one to go to Alola, they would have revealed her by now. But they're hiding something greater, wanting everyone to watch XYZ till the very end. So I look at the greater perspective of things. The staff have never outright lied to anyone, they just make people mislead themselves. It's also interesting because Dawn's VA has met almost every single voice actor/actress of Brock, Cilan, Misty, May, Iris and even Serena. Mayuki Makiguchi voiced a minor character in a DP movie I believed before her Serena role. Megumi Toyoguchi voiced Princess Sara in AG and a character that also happened to be named 'Serena' in the OS. Yeah but i think thats exactly what they want to do; Make amour canon. Fans are literally screaming for something to happen and its something the writers wont ignore. They've already wound them up for not letting Ash win the Kalos league. Plus xy is very well writen so amour could probably become canao any episode for all we know. I know im negative but i am just being honest about the situation XY isn't that well written, otherwise amours wouldn't be upset about the date or the dance, the world wouldn't be upset over Ash's league loss, how some Pokémon had less spotlight because of the huge emphasis on others. They have done fanservice but only to a point, hence the continuing of the trolling titles. I'm curious to see how smart the XY writers were once they've officially handle amourshipping.
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Post by Amsiulx on Oct 3, 2016 0:18:51 GMT
www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?653963-Oct-27th-XY-amp-Z047-A-Zero-With-No-End!-Until-the-Day-we-Meet-Again "Ash and the others head to the airport to set off on their new adventure. But Dedenne doesn't want to say goodbye and ends up running off." Dedenne belongs to Bonnie and Clemont. Ash never leaves a region alone by himself and Pikachu. Serena may be leaving Kalos, but everyone will be in for a surprise as soon as Ash arrives in Kanto. Dedenne is acting the same way Piplup was acting at the last DP episode. Guys, something great WILL happen! Dawn coming back will get everyone hyped over the SM series! I agree this is mostly a reference to DP ending episode, (especially considering Dedenne was completely irrelevant to the whole series, there is no need for him to run away) but I'm not that sure if by "the others" means other people, it could just be a troll and reference Serena and her Pokémon, I'd love to see Dawn return, but even if she doesn't if Ash at least remembers that Piplup did the same thing, that means that the writers still remember Dawn and Pearlshipping hopefully. If, however neither of this things happen, I just hope there is no more Amourshipping stuff involved, because that would mean they want to make it cannon (possibly).
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Post by satohika on Oct 3, 2016 0:56:22 GMT
No with even the main Amour writer Akemi Omode, she trolled every Amourshipper with the dance episode. There is very little progression in Amour, it won't end up being as strong as Pearl is. So no they won't make it canon, at least for now. Serena could become regressed back into spilling spaghetti and blushing again, and that can't be achieved without Dawn returning. Dawn of course is as dense as Ash is. There are plenty of reasons why Dawn is most likely to return, she is still the most popular Pokegirl by far. Dawn's character also happens to be an emotional inverse of Serena's character. Dawn has plenty of reasons of coming back, the staff even said they want to bring back a returning character, most likely Dawn and they want to be unpredictable.
Again it seems to me that Clemont is intending to be a full time gym leader and he is inseparable with Bonnie. That leaves Serena as most likely as part of Ash's party. Understand the context of 'Satoshi-tachi', it can mean at least one or more other people. In DP, Dawn used the word to refer to both Ash and Brock at the last episode.
Ash still has the strongest bond with Dawn. Dedenne is Clemont's Pokémon that is taken care of by his sister. Serena has nothing to do with the siblings at all. If Dawn does come back, they would likely let Serena stay.
The reveals so far for the past few weeks may have shaken my resolve but still not enough to completely disprove my theories of a Serena retention and a Dawn return.
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Post by Spartakos on Oct 3, 2016 9:19:55 GMT
To me, Sun and Moon doesn't seem promissing to bring back an old character....maybe after Sun and Moon??
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