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Post by satohika on Aug 22, 2016 23:21:51 GMT
I mean right now, Serena isn't dropping her spaghetti like she used to, not as much. In the course of her journey, she realized that if she were to succeed with Ash is that she has to give more than receive. Ash underwent a similar depression as Dawn did and Serena tried to cheer him up. Serena admires Ash like how Ash admires Dawn, except Ash didn't blush or drop his spaghetti. As of recently, Serena's character slowly grew on me and she's just different than Dawn. Her personality is the opposite of Dawn's. Most Amourshippers and other people don't realize this but Serena can achieve a similar level of development as Dawn did. She's just different like how Serena is the moon and Dawn is the sun, they're just foils of each other. The intention of Amourshipping isn't to supplant Pearlshipping but to serve as a foil to it. I don't see it affecting Pearlshipping in any way. And I doubt that Amourshipping is a threat to Pearlshipping. Ash's loss to Alain again was to cement the similarities with Dawn and Serena. Alain was basically Zoey and Aria. I agree with you mostly and im starting to see a much better Serena than we saw in the first 90 episodes. I dont think however she will achieve the same level of development like Dawn did because Amours are too happy with the same she's come about in the show. She has however had shown character development (something i was unhappy about early in the show) and shows alot of potential to be a better character. Also makes me angry that they they could of done something better with her at the beginning where she stood around with her fenekin doing nothing but blushing rather than start to make her likable now. I'm still not a huge fan of Serena since i think she's there just for fanservice reasons but from where she started up until now, no one can argue that there has defiantly been signs of improvement. I do think they will somehow make her be with Ash and yes, that means replacing and forgetting about all the other ships. I just see amour as too big now to be ignored whether or not Ash won or not. Won't be surprised if you know what happened in the last episode. It feels too predictable :/ I suspect they're bringing Dawn back along with Serena to Alola. Just to mitigate the clout that Amourshipping has. I've explained that their possible plan is for Amour and Pearl to coexist. I don't think they will replace Pearlshipping, not if Dawn comes back in Sun and Moon to rejoin the main cast. Piplup seems poised to be making a full return by the time Sun and Moon debuts. People take Ash's loss to Alain so seriously that they think they'll do the status quo again. So because now Ash is established as the equivalent of both Dawn and Serena, they could feel that it's time to have the main cast be Ash, Dawn and Serena. This may piss off the hardcore shippers but serves as an amicable compromise. Again, Serena is nothing like Dawn and won't exactly supplant Dawn. She just supplanted May and Brock. Dawn and Serena are opposites like the sun and the moon because of their names and contrasting personalities and archetypes. And Ash is neither the sun nor the moon but rather the eclipse that forms when sun and moon are joined together. While it may seem that Serena has replaced Dawn, she really has not when their personalities contrast widely. Serena is a foil to Dawn. I doubt they would do the exact same formula because it pissed off so many viewers. Having Dawn and Serena as co-stars alongside Ash would boost its popularity and widen its appeal to a broader range of viewers. Dawn and Serena are the only Pokegirls that don't stand out as Pokegirls like Misty, May and Iris.
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Post by SmellYaLater on Aug 22, 2016 23:48:04 GMT
Sorry but there's almost zero chance in my eyes that Dawn is coming back; i will give you my shiny hawlaucha on Pokémon Y if you are right and im wrong xD. I dont want to sound unoptimistic but if she and even serena make it into the next series, it will annoy a lot of misty fans (there is still alot of them) and may fans and possibly Iris fans etc etc. It just would not be fair so no, i dont think she's back anytime soon, maybe in the very last episode of Pokémon ever but not soon.
That being said... iris or any other past character hasn't made a cameo appearance which im very surprised about. Maybe a popular character might show up at some point soon??? I think you have a 2% chance of being right lol
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Post by satohika on Aug 22, 2016 23:55:33 GMT
Sorry but there's almost zero chance in my eyes that Dawn is coming back; i will give you my shiny hawlaucha on Pokémon Y if you are right and im wrong xD. I dont want to sound unoptimistic but if she and even serena make it into the next series, it will annoy a lot of misty fans (there is still alot of them) and may fans and possibly Iris fans etc etc. It just would not be fair so no, i dont think she's back anytime soon, maybe in the very last episode of Pokémon ever but not soon. That being said... iris or any other past character hasn't made a cameo appearance which im very surprised about. Maybe a popular character might show up at some point soon??? I think you have a 2% chance of being right lol Because nobody cares about May and Misty, not even Iris. Nobody likes Iris except for rabid Aoi Yuuki fans. Western fans care more for Misty and May but over in Japan the heavyweights are Dawn and Serena. There is a reason why there is no mention of Iris or Cilan but Dawn's Piplup gets a mention in XY22. They want their protagonists not to look like tomboys but feminine girls. But Piplup is still popular, in their latest popularity poll, it was ranked #40. Yes I do admit there's a slim chance of Dawn coming back. But if they did make Serena stay, they might as well break the trend and have Dawn represent the inevitable Gen 4 remakes and Piplup to attract more people. Dawn's cameo episodes for BW2 were on average higher than the rest of the episodes immediately before and after. And Ash never said goodbye to Dawn in BW2 unlike previous cameos. He said that he'll see her later. Instead of bringing May back they had Serena do showcases to represent contests. If there is a 50% chance of having Serena for Alola, then there is a 10% chance for having Dawn back. Dawn is the only of Ash's female companions to have made a real difference in his life. The other being Serena. So at best it would be 5% chance for a Dawn return. They could have had Dawn come back for XY but Dawn couldn't fit in Kalos. Serena fit that role instead for the XY series. Because as of now everything has gone full circle, with the sun and moon trinity being complete with the inclusion of Serena as the third member next to Ash and Dawn. I just feel that Dawn is very crucial in Serena's future development.
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Post by Games23 on Aug 23, 2016 0:05:45 GMT
Sorry but there's almost zero chance in my eyes that Dawn is coming back; i will give you my shiny hawlaucha on Pokémon Y if you are right and im wrong xD. I dont want to sound unoptimistic but if she and even serena make it into the next series, it will annoy a lot of misty fans (there is still alot of them) and may fans and possibly Iris fans etc etc. It just would not be fair so no, i dont think she's back anytime soon, maybe in the very last episode of Pokémon ever but not soon. That being said... iris or any other past character hasn't made a cameo appearance which im very surprised about. Maybe a popular character might show up at some point soon??? I think you have a 2% chance of being right lol Because nobody cares about Iris and Misty, not even May. Western fans care more for Misty and May but over in Japan the heavyweights are Dawn and Serena. There is a reason why there is no mention of Iris or Cilan but Dawn's Piplup gets a mention in XY22. They want their protagonists not to look like tomboys but feminine girls. But Piplup is still popular, in their latest popularity poll, it was ranked #40. Yes I do admit there's a slim chance of Dawn coming back. But if they did make Serena stay, they might as well break the trend and have Dawn represent the inevitable Gen 4 remakes and Piplup to attract more people. Dawn's cameo episodes for BW2 were on average higher than the rest of the episodes immediately before and after. And Ash never said goodbye to Dawn in BW2 unlike previous cameos. It is a bit unfair though if Dawn returns but the other girls don't. Also, to be honest, it might actually be a good idea for Dawn to not come back in the next region. You don't want the writers to ruin her character, or somehow make her notice Serena's crush on Ash and support Amourshipping.
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Post by SmellYaLater on Aug 23, 2016 0:16:07 GMT
Sorry but there's almost zero chance in my eyes that Dawn is coming back; i will give you my shiny hawlaucha on Pokémon Y if you are right and im wrong xD. I dont want to sound unoptimistic but if she and even serena make it into the next series, it will annoy a lot of misty fans (there is still alot of them) and may fans and possibly Iris fans etc etc. It just would not be fair so no, i dont think she's back anytime soon, maybe in the very last episode of Pokémon ever but not soon. That being said... iris or any other past character hasn't made a cameo appearance which im very surprised about. Maybe a popular character might show up at some point soon??? I think you have a 2% chance of being right lol Because nobody cares about Iris and Misty, not even May. Western fans care more for Misty and May but over in Japan the heavyweights are Dawn and Serena. There is a reason why there is no mention of Iris or Cilan but Dawn's Piplup gets a mention in XY22. They want their protagonists not to look like tomboys but feminine girls. But Piplup is still popular, in their latest popularity poll, it was ranked #40. Yes I do admit there's a slim chance of Dawn coming back. But if they did make Serena stay, they might as well break the trend and have Dawn represent the inevitable Gen 4 remakes and Piplup to attract more people. Dawn's cameo episodes for BW2 were on average higher than the rest of the episodes immediately before and after. And Ash never said goodbye to Dawn in BW2 unlike previous cameos. "Because nobody cares about Iris and Misty, not even May". Sorry but no, that is completely false. You're right about western fans caring more about Misty, Iris, may etc and vice versa with Japan and Dawn but that doesnt mean no one cares about Misty in Japan and again, vice versa. Im not a fan of pokeshipping but no way is it dead and that goes with advanceshipping etc. Plus when it comes to deciding things, im pretty sure those in Japan wont just look to what the fans in japan want but also those in the US and Europe aswell. They'll look for the overall opinion as Pokémon is very global. Most likely idea that will happen in the sun and moon anime is that they'll be new characters.
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Post by SmellYaLater on Aug 23, 2016 0:17:19 GMT
Because nobody cares about Iris and Misty, not even May. Western fans care more for Misty and May but over in Japan the heavyweights are Dawn and Serena. There is a reason why there is no mention of Iris or Cilan but Dawn's Piplup gets a mention in XY22. They want their protagonists not to look like tomboys but feminine girls. But Piplup is still popular, in their latest popularity poll, it was ranked #40. Yes I do admit there's a slim chance of Dawn coming back. But if they did make Serena stay, they might as well break the trend and have Dawn represent the inevitable Gen 4 remakes and Piplup to attract more people. Dawn's cameo episodes for BW2 were on average higher than the rest of the episodes immediately before and after. And Ash never said goodbye to Dawn in BW2 unlike previous cameos. It is a bit unfair though if Dawn returns but the other girls don't. Also, to be honest, it might actually be a good idea for Dawn to not come back in the next region. You don't want the writers to ruin her character, or somehow make her notice Serena's crush on Ash and support Amourshipping. That's actually what im worried about :/ Unless they're planning to confess, i dont want them near each other xD
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Post by satohika on Aug 23, 2016 0:18:13 GMT
Because nobody cares about Iris and Misty, not even May. Western fans care more for Misty and May but over in Japan the heavyweights are Dawn and Serena. There is a reason why there is no mention of Iris or Cilan but Dawn's Piplup gets a mention in XY22. They want their protagonists not to look like tomboys but feminine girls. But Piplup is still popular, in their latest popularity poll, it was ranked #40. Yes I do admit there's a slim chance of Dawn coming back. But if they did make Serena stay, they might as well break the trend and have Dawn represent the inevitable Gen 4 remakes and Piplup to attract more people. Dawn's cameo episodes for BW2 were on average higher than the rest of the episodes immediately before and after. And Ash never said goodbye to Dawn in BW2 unlike previous cameos. It is a bit unfair though if Dawn returns but the other girls don't. Also, to be honest, it might actually be a good idea for Dawn to not come back in the next region. You don't want the writers to ruin her character, or somehow make her notice Serena's crush on Ash and support Amourshipping. Atsuhiro Tomioka is a writer of both Pearlshipping and Amourshipping. I think he intends his ships to mesh and fuse together. He did a phenomenal job on Pearlshipping so I doubt that he will ruin it. Dawn and Serena again are complete opposites, Amourshipping is the complete opposite of Pearlshipping but can also serve as its foil. I think a lot of shippers are misguided in how they see things as a one true pairing. By examining the show from DP to XY, I started to take a holistic approach to analysis. Rather than just hints, but it's also the relationship similarities and differences. I honestly do not believe that Amourshipping is going to supplant Pearlshipping. That's just an incorrect way of thinking. One might as well say Tomioka is an Advanceshipper but he's known to have written Contestshipping. If Dawn and Serena were to meet, how would their interactions be like? Most shippers (whether Pearl or Amour) assume they'll engage in a catfight, but I don't think so. Dawn may see Amourshipping and Serena may see Pearlshipping, but above all, if they were in the same show as part of the main cast, they'd be casted as best friends or something. So my thoughts may seem surprising to many but it's just the way of understanding character interactions. Serena is a yandere, Dawn is a tsundere. Just different from each other. But it's okay to assume the worst and the best. I know if Serena is in Alola this could be the end of Pearlshipping, and that could be true. But not if Dawn were in Alola as part of the main cast. I mean we've never had a series where we had two or more female companions as part of the main cast, so it's hard to assume they will stick to the status quo. I don't think it's unfair if the other girls don't return. Ash is known to have the closest relation with Dawn out of all the female companions by far. I mean in BW2, almost everyone knows that Ash has a strong bond with Dawn. To take a line from Dawn, no need to worry, everything will be fine! Ash wasn't that close with Iris or Cilan like he was with Dawn.
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Post by Games23 on Aug 23, 2016 0:44:49 GMT
Pearlshipping and Amourshipping are definitely the strongest ships for the whole show. If it's true that Misty is traveling with Tracy, that hurts Pokeshipping. May gave a few hints that she liked Drew, so that hurts Advanceshipping. With Ash and Iris, pretty obvious that they're just friends.
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Post by satohika on Aug 23, 2016 0:51:22 GMT
Pearlshipping and Amourshipping are definitely the strongest ships for the whole show If it's true that Misty is traveling with Tracy, that hurts Pokeshipping. May gave a few hints that she liked Drew, so that hurts Advanceshipping. With Ash and Iris, pretty obvious that they're just friends. May's cameo hurt Advanceshipping further and strengthened Contestshipping simply because the focus was on Drew the much of the time when he was watching May in the Wallace Cup. Misty eventually became closer to Tracy, with Tracy giving her an Azurill. In BW, Tracy was over at Misty's in Cerulean City. Iris wasn't that close with Ash but rather closer to Cilan. They were just good friends with each other. So that leaves Pearl and Amour as uncontested. Of course there are a few Advance and Poke shippers but they don't seem to wield much clout these days.
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Post by satohika on Aug 24, 2016 14:39:07 GMT
Also Ash and Alain were very different.
Everyone knows Ash relies on outspeeding the opponent. When his Grotle evolved into Torterra, he couldn't use it properly now that it was so slow.
Alain has bulkier, stronger Pokémon that can brute force and trade blows rather than dodge, even his faster Pokémon are like this too.
Greninja couldn't stand a chance against Mega Charizard X, it was too bulky and powerful. His Charizard tanked so much attacks.
Anyone who says that somehow the show would get worse are wrong in a way. Anyways, it remains to be seen what'll happen next. Basically with Ash now officially Dawn's and Serena's equal, the show progresses. They've broken so many patterns with XY. Even the mention of Piplup wasn't supposed to happen but Ash forgot he owned a Charizard and a Sceptile. So I have no doubt the sun and moon series would break more ground. His Kalos team is pretty much his strongest regional team. But when combined with the Pokémon he used for Sinnoh and Unova Leagues, then he could get first place.
Companions: 1 boy, 1 older male, 1 slightly older female 1 boy, 1 older male, a sister and her little brother 1 boy, 1 older male, 1 girl Same as the first 1 boy, 1 girl and a brother and his little sister What will they do for the next? I'm sick and tired of seeing gym leader-like figures and none of the Alola girls would be massive hits. It's either a hit or a huge miss. Having tomboys in the cast would make this series unappealing to watch, I'd rather have two girls in miniskirts. Since they are feminine and can help bring in the shoujo demographic. Nobody likes anyone who reminds people of Iris. It seems that they're in a position to change the companions so that it's one boy and two girls.
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