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Post by hannie on May 22, 2016 14:56:32 GMT
I was ranting about how I did not like how Serena's character was so centered around her crush on Ash. However, one of my friends disagreed as he said that he enjoyed that part about Serena since it gave us a different viewpoint on Ash aside from the battles.
He said that Ash in the XY series has by far received the most character development, and some of it was due to Serena. I know she's bound to have an influence on him since she's a travelling companion of his.
I'm not an avid watcher of the XY series (I only watch a few episodes here and there), so I wanted to ask you guys about this.
Can you cite a few episodes/scenes wherein Serena has contributed to Ash's character? And if so, was it a tremendous contribution?
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Post by PlatinumSun on May 22, 2016 15:11:55 GMT
hannie I believe your friend is referring to the most recent episode. I haven't watched it yet but Serena has shown major concern for Ash's final gym battle like she did for his second and third gym battle. People have also referred to Greninja-Ash as the Hero form, what I'm assuming is based on the folklore of the Ninja boy's hometown. However, the Hero form is a hard form to maintain as Ash has fainted previously from using it. He also has some crystal that has something to do with it. In the most recent episode, there's a scene where Ash watches Greninja rest, most assumably recovering, then Ash decides to go for a walk outside and two things are noticeable: the first is that when his friends talked to him before leaving, his back was shown the entire time. The second thing is that he didn't even want Pikachu to come with him (was Pikachu with him when he had his big lost to Paul?). There's a screenshot of Serena finding him in a snowy forest and another with Ash expressing doubt (or he was blinking).
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Post by hannie on May 22, 2016 16:46:02 GMT
hannie I believe your friend is referring to the most recent episode. I haven't watched it yet but Serena has shown major concern for Ash's final gym battle like she did for his second and third gym battle. People have also referred to Greninja-Ash as the Hero form, what I'm assuming is based on the folklore of the Ninja boy's hometown. However, the Hero form is a hard form to maintain as Ash has fainted previously from using it. He also has some crystal that has something to do with it. In the most recent episode, there's a scene where Ash watches Greninja rest, most assumably recovering, then Ash decides to go for a walk outside and two things are noticeable: the first is that when his friends talked to him before leaving, he was back was shown the entire time. The second thing is that he didn't even want Pikachu to come with him (was Pikachu with him when he had his big lost to Paul?). There's a screenshot of Serena finding him in a snowy forest and another with Ash expressing doubt (or he was blinking). I see... Thanks for the info as always! :-)
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Post by satohika on Aug 22, 2016 17:56:57 GMT
It's similar to what Ash did for Dawn when Dawn was depressed. Ash in XY is basically Dawn, a lot of Japanese pearlshippers pointed this out. He uses her catchphrase from time to time and even does a high five with Serena. And Serena's crush on Ash is like how Ash admires Dawn.
Like I said, it seems that I'm playing devil's advocate but Serena in the series was a prerequisite for Dawn's return.
I didn't like Serena initially but she grew on me. It was then I realized that the real enemy of Pearlshipping isn't Amourshipping but something else.
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Post by PlatinumSun on Aug 22, 2016 18:52:18 GMT
It's similar to what Ash did for Dawn when Dawn was depressed. Ash in XY is basically Dawn, a lot of Japanese pearlshippers pointed this out. He uses her catchphrase from time to time and even does a high five with Serena. And Serena's crush on Ash is like how Ash admires Dawn. Like I said, it seems that I'm playing devil's advocate but Serena in the series was a prerequisite for Dawn's return. I didn't like Serena initially but she grew on me. It was then I realized that the real enemy of Pearlshipping isn't Amourshipping but something else. What is it? The writers? The fans? Monogamy?
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Post by satohika on Aug 22, 2016 21:03:47 GMT
It's similar to what Ash did for Dawn when Dawn was depressed. Ash in XY is basically Dawn, a lot of Japanese pearlshippers pointed this out. He uses her catchphrase from time to time and even does a high five with Serena. And Serena's crush on Ash is like how Ash admires Dawn. Like I said, it seems that I'm playing devil's advocate but Serena in the series was a prerequisite for Dawn's return. I didn't like Serena initially but she grew on me. It was then I realized that the real enemy of Pearlshipping isn't Amourshipping but something else. What is it? The writers? The fans? Monogamy? All of the above in a sense but mainly the fans. Well in the case of shippers in all sides, they have high expectations and high hopes, they were let down, it didn't go they way they thought it should. They whined and moaned about the dance party episode, angry at the writers for not letting Serena dance with Ash. And for Serena's journey, she learned that she must give more than she can take. She could take more than give, but she made little progress. So the writers in a sense were making fun of Amourshippers though this subtle metaphor.
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Post by Nafsika on Jan 18, 2017 14:41:07 GMT
I don't thikn that Serena has influenced Ash so much!!! At least not consciously!!!! And not so dramatically as Dawn!!! Probably is the other way around!!! Ash and the others convince Serena to do something with her life!!! And also I`m not sure how important was the kiss for Ash!!! For Serena was the last act of character development but they didn't tell us Ash`s opinion about that!!! So in my opinion Serena took more and gave less to everybody around her!!!
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