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Post by satohika on Sept 27, 2016 18:24:55 GMT
;( that's just too bad for me seeing as I support Contestshipping almost just as much as Pearlshipping! Except a core point of May's character wasn't mooning after Drew, which is a key difference. Amour is like Contest in terms of blushing, but I think that's as far as the similarities go. Also with young anime girls there's only so much variation you can do with the poses. The show likes to promote visual parallels, visual foreshadowing a lot. Yes there are visual parallels between Ash and Serena but at the same time there are a lot of parallels between Dawn and Serena along with Ash and Dawn. Again when considering what Ash thinks of as how a girl should act like, she has to be girly and not tomboyish. That's why Dawn and Serena seem to fit Ash's basic idea of a 'girl'. Misty, May and Iris are all somewhere between the extremes of goal seeking and romanticism. And to Ash, they probably don't act like how girls should act and look like. But Dawn stands out as being overtly goal seeking but being romantically dense and Serena stands out as being overtly romantic but not very much a goal-seeker. Again highlighting the core differences between Pearl vs Amour. Dawn's priorities made her bond much more easily with Ash but in Serena's case her crush and love for Ash along with her passivity actually hindered her from establishing a strong bond with Ash. Which is why they planned to get rid of May as soon as possible and planned Serena's character in DP as her eventual replacement in XY. Even the time that Serena took to find her goal is similar to May's but a lot longer. And she resented being a Rhyhorn racer like how May resented being a Pokémon trainer (and disliked Pokémon) at first and always had to stand in her father's shadow.
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Post by IceArceus on Sept 27, 2016 20:45:29 GMT
Except a core point of May's character wasn't mooning after Drew, which is a key difference. Amour is like Contest in terms of blushing, but I think that's as far as the similarities go. Also with young anime girls there's only so much variation you can do with the poses. The show likes to promote visual parallels, visual foreshadowing a lot. Yes there are visual parallels between Ash and Serena but at the same time there are a lot of parallels between Dawn and Serena along with Ash and Dawn. Again when considering what Ash thinks of as how a girl should act like, she has to be girly and not tomboyish. That's why Dawn and Serena seem to fit Ash's basic idea of a 'girl'. Misty, May and Iris are all somewhere between the extremes of goal seeking and romanticism. And to Ash, they probably don't act like how girls should act and look like. But Dawn stands out as being overtly goal seeking but being romantically dense and Serena stands out as being overtly romantic but not very much a goal-seeker. Again highlighting the core differences between Pearl vs Amour. Dawn's priorities made her bond much more easily with Ash but in Serena's case her crush and love for Ash along with her passivity actually hindered her from establishing a strong bond with Ash. Which is why they planned to get rid of May as soon as possible and planned Serena's character in DP as her eventual replacement in XY. Even the time that Serena took to find her goal is similar to May's but a lot longer. And she resented being a Rhyhorn racer like how May resented being a Pokémon trainer (and disliked Pokémon) at first and always had to stand in her father's shadow. How do we know Serena's character was planned in DP? Is there a source for this or has this been reliably inferred? Serena's character does share many characteristics with May, but I was referring to Contestshipping as a relationship compared with Amour when I say the similarities don't go very far, not the characters which are involved in it.
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Post by Amsiulx on Sept 27, 2016 21:22:44 GMT
The show likes to promote visual parallels, visual foreshadowing a lot. Yes there are visual parallels between Ash and Serena but at the same time there are a lot of parallels between Dawn and Serena along with Ash and Dawn. Again when considering what Ash thinks of as how a girl should act like, she has to be girly and not tomboyish. That's why Dawn and Serena seem to fit Ash's basic idea of a 'girl'. Misty, May and Iris are all somewhere between the extremes of goal seeking and romanticism. And to Ash, they probably don't act like how girls should act and look like. But Dawn stands out as being overtly goal seeking but being romantically dense and Serena stands out as being overtly romantic but not very much a goal-seeker. Again highlighting the core differences between Pearl vs Amour. Dawn's priorities made her bond much more easily with Ash but in Serena's case her crush and love for Ash along with her passivity actually hindered her from establishing a strong bond with Ash. Which is why they planned to get rid of May as soon as possible and planned Serena's character in DP as her eventual replacement in XY. Even the time that Serena took to find her goal is similar to May's but a lot longer. And she resented being a Rhyhorn racer like how May resented being a Pokémon trainer (and disliked Pokémon) at first and always had to stand in her father's shadow. How do we know Serena's character was planned in DP? Is there a source for this or has this been reliably inferred? Serena's character does share many characteristics with May, but I was referring to Contestshipping as a relationship compared with Amour when I say the similarities don't go very far, not the characters which are involved in it. I don't think Contestshipping and Amourshipping are that similar, mainly because one is between rivals and the other between companions also maybe my memory is a bit shady but I don't remember May blushing when talking with or about Drew, every single time.
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Post by evilpearlzrox1 on Sept 28, 2016 0:34:49 GMT
;( that's just too bad for me seeing as I support Contestshipping almost just as much as Pearlshipping! Except a core point of May's character wasn't mooning after Drew, which is a key difference. Amour is like Contest in terms of blushing, but I think that's as far as the similarities go. Also with young anime girls there's only so much variation you can do with the poses. Yeah May was a hard worker unlike Serena.
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Post by satohika on Sept 28, 2016 2:42:01 GMT
The show likes to promote visual parallels, visual foreshadowing a lot. Yes there are visual parallels between Ash and Serena but at the same time there are a lot of parallels between Dawn and Serena along with Ash and Dawn. Again when considering what Ash thinks of as how a girl should act like, she has to be girly and not tomboyish. That's why Dawn and Serena seem to fit Ash's basic idea of a 'girl'. Misty, May and Iris are all somewhere between the extremes of goal seeking and romanticism. And to Ash, they probably don't act like how girls should act and look like. But Dawn stands out as being overtly goal seeking but being romantically dense and Serena stands out as being overtly romantic but not very much a goal-seeker. Again highlighting the core differences between Pearl vs Amour. Dawn's priorities made her bond much more easily with Ash but in Serena's case her crush and love for Ash along with her passivity actually hindered her from establishing a strong bond with Ash. Which is why they planned to get rid of May as soon as possible and planned Serena's character in DP as her eventual replacement in XY. Even the time that Serena took to find her goal is similar to May's but a lot longer. And she resented being a Rhyhorn racer like how May resented being a Pokémon trainer (and disliked Pokémon) at first and always had to stand in her father's shadow. How do we know Serena's character was planned in DP? Is there a source for this or has this been reliably inferred? Serena's character does share many characteristics with May, but I was referring to Contestshipping as a relationship compared with Amour when I say the similarities don't go very far, not the characters which are involved in it. I guess it is a bit of a stretch, but in Amour's case, there aren't any anime-based Serena ships that would be considered serious threats to it. I mean even geekchic or something as farfetched as Tierno x Serena is a huge stretch like how ikari, penguin, heattag, etc. are 'threats' to Pearl. Pearl still reigns supreme amongst anime-based Dawn ships like how Amour is in respect to being a dominant anime-based Serena ship. In Japan, Contest is the most dominant anime-based May ship. I do admit that I'm borrowing quite a bit from Lockstin's theory. That there is speculation on my part all of it, including Pearl and Amour were meticulously planned during Gen 3 to 4 to usher in the final culmination sometime in the future. But one could say that Amour is just a ratings grab in some way, that somehow Serena was shoehorned in as shipping bait. While that is quite possible, they could have abandoned Serena's crush and Amour early on in the story, say early XY. After XY59-60, there was a paradigm shift for Amour, that somehow Serena's feelings managed to become stronger, even with episodes devoted to Amour. It's easier for them to drop Serena if Amour weren't such an integral part of her character, she could have done just fine without her crush. But they seem to have written themselves into a corner if they did intend for her to be shipping bait as a ratings grab. Why else would Serena be an almost exact opposite of Dawn's character, even with its parallels? Yes they do fill in the same niche in regards as to being the 'main girl', but there's the question of why did they intend for Amour and Pearl to be exact opposites of each other? Serena's character does borrow a bit from May's character in the same sense that Dawn's character borrows a bit from Misty's character. But I don't intend to disparage any character, just stating that the staff often use parallels, foreshadowing or other literary devices a bit too often. I mean a lot of people would just take things at face value, but it would be a lot more complex than previously thought. I've worked on my theories before, but even the names seem suspicious from the start. They could have had a Serena-like character for Gen 5 but they intended for it to be an OS clone with Unova versions of Misty and Brock- Iris and Cilan. By the time Kalos was introduced and the female protagonist's name was revealed to be Serena, and that she happened to be a 'rival' like Dawn was in the DP games. They probably shoehorned the personality onto Serena. Again, this is speculation. The staff of the games and the franchise in general could be hiding a lot of things from us. Especially when taking into account all this symbolism and hidden lore surrounding the games themselves. So we'll just have to wait and see what happens next, really. There's still a good chance that Dawn will make a cameo like Misty did in Pallet Town, but only if Serena stays and there is a Pallet Town arc. So either way I could be wrong or surprisingly, I could be right with my speculation and theories.
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