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Post by pkpeachbomber on Sept 22, 2015 15:55:32 GMT
It would only negatively effect the ash x dawn ship though due to serena. Which is why as much as i like dawn i want iris to return instead Wait why so? I thought by bring Dawn back Serena would get jealous of because of how close the two of them are. Serena doesn't have that kind of relationship with Ash at all. She'll realize that Dawn makes Ash happy and then possibly move on fading the crush lol. Keep in mind, pearl shipping isn't the core of the show right now. Amour is currently the center of attention. They wouldn't just randomly bring in dawn and disconfirm the ship because of that, it doesn't make sense. Serena i think needs iris. Iris is the character that could seriously help serena with her priorities, because if there's anything iris knows it's that you should never stray from your goal, which is why she's following rayquaza- which is ironic bc look at her team. But serena is constantly straying from her goal and is really slipping because she's focusing more on her relationship with ash which isn't going well and is really weighing down her character. Dawn isn't what is making x and y popular. Amour is. If they stopped the ship because some past companion randomly showd up and makes serena jealous, serena would step up her game and over power dawn, just like how dawn over powered may, and iris to dawn. That's just the way of thing in the anime. If iris returned, serena would over power iris, and she would definitely do the same to dawn because of how popular she is RIGHT NOW. Serena won't get anywhere with ash and that's where her character is going to develop i think. And she's going to do that by her self or with someone wise like iris (brock??). I don't need dawn getting friend zoned so gamefreak can make more money. Dawn might be an old favorite, but Serenas ship is where the money is at. But at the same time the anime cant afford to canonize it because that would ruin future generations.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Sept 22, 2015 16:25:09 GMT
I'm running on an hour of sleep pretty much so if you need me to explain anything i can
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Post by Mrpearlshippergamer on Sept 23, 2015 13:54:25 GMT
I'm running on an hour of sleep pretty much so if you need me to explain anything i can Nope nothing happened. Dawn didn't return, and amour is still at the top of shipping on google tends.
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Post by Unarmed Civilian/pokemongeof on Sept 24, 2015 19:11:33 GMT
That is a good point AshxDawn, but mind you this is the Pokémon World, not real life. And in the Pokémon woirld, anything can happen.
My guess is that if that were to happen, Serena would get jealous, but it would take her to understand that Ash really doesn't like her back for her to just accept that Ash is happy with Dawn.
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Post by AquaticKnights on Oct 6, 2015 10:19:22 GMT
Keep in mind, pearl shipping isn't the core of the show right now. Amour is currently the center of attention. They wouldn't just randomly bring in dawn and disconfirm the ship because of that, it doesn't make sense. Serena i think needs iris. Iris is the character that could seriously help serena with her priorities, because if there's anything iris knows it's that you should never stray from your goal, which is why she's following rayquaza- which is ironic bc look at her team. But serena is constantly straying from her goal and is really slipping because she's focusing more on her relationship with ash which isn't going well and is really weighing down her character. Dawn isn't what is making x and y popular. Amour is. If they stopped the ship because some past companion randomly showd up and makes serena jealous, serena would step up her game and over power dawn, just like how dawn over powered may, and iris to dawn. That's just the way of thing in the anime. If iris returned, serena would over power iris, and she would definitely do the same to dawn because of how popular she is RIGHT NOW. Serena won't get anywhere with ash and that's where her character is going to develop i think. And she's going to do that by her self or with someone wise like iris (brock??). I don't need dawn getting friend zoned so gamefreak can make more money. Dawn might be an old favorite, but Serenas ship is where the money is at. But at the same time the anime cant afford to canonize it because that would ruin future generations. You bring in a good point. Though there is one thing that didn't make much sense to me. When Dawn returned in the Best Wishes season, she actually showcased a very good Pearlshipping hint(being playful with Ash) What makes you say Iris overpowered Dawn on her return? What I was thinking was Dawn coming back and making Serena realize just how close Ash and Dawn are. Making her forgetting about Ash because he see's something between them. Just a thought.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Oct 7, 2015 15:44:22 GMT
Keep in mind, pearl shipping isn't the core of the show right now. Amour is currently the center of attention. They wouldn't just randomly bring in dawn and disconfirm the ship because of that, it doesn't make sense. Serena i think needs iris. Iris is the character that could seriously help serena with her priorities, because if there's anything iris knows it's that you should never stray from your goal, which is why she's following rayquaza- which is ironic bc look at her team. But serena is constantly straying from her goal and is really slipping because she's focusing more on her relationship with ash which isn't going well and is really weighing down her character. Dawn isn't what is making x and y popular. Amour is. If they stopped the ship because some past companion randomly showd up and makes serena jealous, serena would step up her game and over power dawn, just like how dawn over powered may, and iris to dawn. That's just the way of thing in the anime. If iris returned, serena would over power iris, and she would definitely do the same to dawn because of how popular she is RIGHT NOW. Serena won't get anywhere with ash and that's where her character is going to develop i think. And she's going to do that by her self or with someone wise like iris (brock??). I don't need dawn getting friend zoned so gamefreak can make more money. Dawn might be an old favorite, but Serenas ship is where the money is at. But at the same time the anime cant afford to canonize it because that would ruin future generations. You bring in a good point. Though there is one thing that didn't make much sense to me. When Dawn returned in the Best Wishes season, she actually showcased a very good Pearlshipping hint(being playful with Ash) What makes you say Iris overpowered Dawn on her return? What I was thinking was Dawn coming back and making Serena realize just how close Ash and Dawn are. Making her forgetting about Ash because he see's something between them. Just a thought. Keep in mind that hint was the first thing we saw of her. I mean "overpowering" as far as current companion vs past companion The current companion will always win because that makes them look more attractive. It's only natural for Serena to beat iris in a battle, despite her serious lack in experience
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Post by satohika on Jul 25, 2016 23:31:12 GMT
If you guys ask me, Serena's goal of being 'Kalos Queen' seems too narrow to me. Dawn wants to be top coordinator which in my opinion is a much more higher goal than Kalos Queen. That means Serena has no excuse to go to Alola. But Dawn and Ash might. Even if Dawn goes to Kalos, they didn't need to have a battle between Dawn and Serena. Serena could actually end up admiring Dawn and try to be more like her. Because she might notice that there is more to Ash and Dawn's relationship than meets the eye.
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Post by PikaFUSION on Jul 25, 2016 23:50:21 GMT
If you guys ask me, Serena's goal of being 'Kalos Queen' seems too narrow to me. Dawn wants to be top coordinator which in my opinion is a much more higher goal than Kalos Queen. That means Serena has no excuse to go to Alola. But Dawn and Ash might. Even if Dawn goes to Kalos, they didn't need to have a battle between Dawn and Serena. Serena could actually end up admiring Dawn and try to be more like her. Because she might notice that there is more to Ash and Dawn's relationship than meets the eye. I think Serena should stay in Kaos and continue with her dream
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Post by satohika on Sept 4, 2016 17:04:31 GMT
Honestly, I suspect that the next series would have both Dawn and Serena for ship teases and because Dawn is just popular. Amourshipping and Pearlshipping still generate fanart and fanfics to this day. XY serves as an exposition of Serena's character just as DP served as the exposition for Dawn's character. It makes no sense for Dawn to be in Kalos, if she were to come back in XYZ, she'd be waiting for Ash in Kanto.
They'll never bring Dawn back, right? They'll never keep Serena, right? They'll never let Ash travel with only two girls his age, right? They'll never let Ash travel with only previous game based protagonist companions from previous generations, right? They're not going to have Sinnoh remakes, right?
But bringing back Wobbuffet, letting Ash travel with two girls, making Ash get second place like Dawn and Serena, are the first few steps that they're willing to break patterns. The next series will shake viewers' expectations. Given that in Japan where there are less kids born each generation, how Japanese children favor Yokai Watch and Pokémon is seen as for older people...
The writers will never let Serena and Amourshipping hog all the attention. That's why they're planning to bring back Dawn and Pearlshipping to even it out. What if the whole point of an Alola journey and the Island Challenge is more of a coming of age moment for Ash, Dawn and Serena? I mean it's presented that the challenge is a rite of passage in Alola. Just so they can find their inner strengths? I doubt that the trial captains will be permanent companions, they have their own trials to attend and supervise to. And why would a trial captain have to go through the challenge on another island or retake their own challenge? It makes no sense. Therefore from a storytelling perspective, the prospects of both Amour and Pearl are ways to develop Ash, Dawn and Serena.
From the perspective of logic and reason, Dawn wouldn't come back and Serena wouldn't stay. But from the perspective of intuition, Dawn will come back and Serena would stay. Dawn and Serena may seem superficially similar because both fill the niche of girly girl protagonists but a close in depth look in their personality profiles present them as polar opposites. Because Serena and Dawn are polar opposites of each other, so are Pearl and Amour polar opposites of each other. The songs High Touch and Candy Girl reflect these differences.
The main strength of Pearlshipping are the bonds and strong chemistry between Ash and Dawn. Ash and Dawn are the most important people in each others' lives, aside from their mothers. It's fatal flaw is that there is little or no romantic tension between the two, simply because they are dense in matters of romance.
The main strength of Amourshipping is the canon crush Serena has for Ash and how Ash is a major influence in Serena's life. It's fatal flaw is that Serena fails to establish a strong bond and chemistry with Ash because she is either passive, complacent or idealistic. I would say that she's delusional that she sees simple acts of friendship and bond establishment by Ash as something great or unexpected. Is it Ash's fault that he sees her just as a good friend? Or is it because Serena fails to take initiative or just content at the idea of simply being friends with Ash even when goaded to do so by others to act on her crush? For f*cks sake, Ash offered his hand just to dance with you yet you act like a deer frozen in headlights by spilling your spaghetti. Didn't you want to dance with him? Then you realize it's too late by the time the dance ends.
The point of the matter is that it's very unclear whether or not Serena is going to leave. But by hiding information as to what would be her fate, they're hiding something bigger. The possibility of Dawn's return which has been alluded to at least once each year in some form. The lack of progression in Amourshipping is the reason why it certainly isn't going to become canon any time soon. Serena better pack her bags and go with Ash to Kanto. Cause the strong bonds between Ash and Dawn, the fact that he would notice Dawn over Serena is a clear indicator that Serena needs to wake up and notice her house is on fire. She isn't going to get her miracle as of now simply because she is still set in her ways.
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Post by satohika on Sept 5, 2016 2:10:39 GMT
Wait why so? I thought by bring Dawn back Serena would get jealous of because of how close the two of them are. Serena doesn't have that kind of relationship with Ash at all. She'll realize that Dawn makes Ash happy and then possibly move on fading the crush lol. Keep in mind, pearl shipping isn't the core of the show right now. Amour is currently the center of attention. They wouldn't just randomly bring in dawn and disconfirm the ship because of that, it doesn't make sense. Serena i think needs iris. Iris is the character that could seriously help serena with her priorities, because if there's anything iris knows it's that you should never stray from your goal, which is why she's following rayquaza- which is ironic bc look at her team. But serena is constantly straying from her goal and is really slipping because she's focusing more on her relationship with ash which isn't going well and is really weighing down her character. Dawn isn't what is making x and y popular. Amour is. If they stopped the ship because some past companion randomly showd up and makes serena jealous, serena would step up her game and over power dawn, just like how dawn over powered may, and iris to dawn. That's just the way of thing in the anime. If iris returned, serena would over power iris, and she would definitely do the same to dawn because of how popular she is RIGHT NOW. Serena won't get anywhere with ash and that's where her character is going to develop i think. And she's going to do that by her self or with someone wise like iris (brock??). I don't need dawn getting friend zoned so gamefreak can make more money. Dawn might be an old favorite, but Serenas ship is where the money is at. But at the same time the anime cant afford to canonize it because that would ruin future generations. Iris will never return unless if the group returns to Johto. They've written her out of the show along with Cilan. And Iris is the least popular, during BW, Dawn was still the most popular by far. Ash isn't particularly close with her as he is with Dawn. Just because Dawn and Serena fill the girly girl niche doesn't mean they're 100% the same. Their personality profiles are on complete opposites, especially on that MBTI personality profile. Dawn is still the most popular Pokegirl in Japan, and Pearlshipping is still a heavy contender. That said, at this point Dawn will likely come back at late XYZ after Kalos or early SM. When Dawn and Serena are compared to each other, in most ways they are complete opposites.
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