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Post by NovaStorm on Oct 1, 2014 18:23:55 GMT
What I meant was how Ash reacted to Dawn in comparison to Iris. In this particular moment, Ash didn't react much to Iris's teasing but he did react to Dawn's teasing. This parallels how Cilan isn't phazed by Dawn's remarks but is greatly affected by Iris's; that was in the following Cubchoo episode. Well, you're right. I kind of meant to say their growth as trainers together revealed the bond they had. At least Cynthia saw them together as a duo. I can see that, and I understand that Dawn has a bit more of an attitude in BW. Maybe XY Dawn would be stronger with Ash, so it's hard to say Yeah, the same way Dawn and May told each other to follow their dreams in DP. Or Dawn and Iris in BW. But Ash has been begging Dawn to spend time with him (through a battle) ever since he first reunited with Dawn. So some things aren't the same. I think there's one thing that we can both agree on (other than their marriage), though, and that's the fact that Ash and Dawn weren't handled as well in BW.
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Post by Reis on Oct 1, 2014 18:44:06 GMT
you haven't seen bw90, have you? in that episode she said "boys can be a pain at times". and yeah, dawn does forget about her 'bond' whenever she's with ash's other companion. when may came to honnen, she let her piplup use bubblebeam on ash but that's just a one time thing so it's not a big deal. but when she met iris she called ash a kid too. a little teasing is fine but she teased him too much throughout bw89. in bw she cheered less for ash and more for iris and her dragonite. even in her final cameo episode her and ash's 'bond' was not that good. they had just a battle that's it. even the goodbye scene was not good as the dp goodbye scene. they didn't even high five. conclusion - i admit she had a good bond with ash in dp, but in bw that bond wasn't as strong as dp. in dawn's bw cameo she had some minor changes in her personality which made her a little annoying to be honest. i omitted serena's list? fyi, i did put she likes to dress up in her list so you can't say that. but don't worry, dawn is still going to be ash's bride. That kinda was my mistake. No one knows that I also have a grade section on fanservice done well and fanservice done poorly. And yes, I know BW had a somewhat disappointing cameo for Dawn. I don't think she said boys are a pain, but I can rewatch. Dunno if it was dub or sub though. Overall, everything you said had its points.
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Post by Reis on Oct 1, 2014 18:51:00 GMT
In general, it's hard to say what will happen now. BW was very vague in some aspects and did less than what anyone expected for Dawn's cameo. Then we have little for XY since it's not even 50 episodes in. But I do hope Dawn returns in XY. Just wondering, do any of you feel that her story was still incomplete, judging from her departure scene?
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Post by Annoymous on Oct 1, 2014 21:28:41 GMT
What I meant was how Ash reacted to Dawn in comparison to Iris. In this particular moment, Ash didn't react much to Iris's teasing but he did react to Dawn's teasing. actually, ash reacted to both in bw39. both of them called him a kid at the same moment. also in later episodes of bw ash reacted the same way he did in bw39. dawn did make some weird comment about cilan, but at that time he was too busy to solve the mystery. maybe cilan didn't hear what dawn behind his back. i think cilan reacted to iris's comment because she said it out loud. yeah, "had". not really. she was just commenting about how far they've come in their journeys. it has nothing to do with "seeing them together". yes. spending time through a battle huh? just like how he always spends time with the gym leaders and Pokémon trainers through a battle. did you see how he wanted to spend time with clemont in the first episode of xy? ok maybe that was too much joking.that's right.
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Post by Annoymous on Oct 1, 2014 21:35:05 GMT
In general, it's hard to say what will happen now. BW was very vague in some aspects and did less than what anyone expected for Dawn's cameo. Then we have little for XY since it's not even 50 episodes in. But I do hope Dawn returns in XY. Just wondering, do any of you feel that her story was still incomplete, judging from her departure scene? well there wasn't much of a story behind dawn's bw cameo. she came to unova to see cynthia and participate in the world tournament junior cup. if you're talking about her main story(her goal to be the top coordinator), then yes, it is incomplete. but again, may's story isn't complete either.
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Post by Reis on Oct 1, 2014 21:39:54 GMT
In general, it's hard to say what will happen now. BW was very vague in some aspects and did less than what anyone expected for Dawn's cameo. Then we have little for XY since it's not even 50 episodes in. But I do hope Dawn returns in XY. Just wondering, do any of you feel that her story was still incomplete, judging from her departure scene? well there wasn't much of a story behind dawn's bw cameo. she came to unova to see cynthia and participate in the world tournament junior cup. if you're talking about her main story(her goal to be the top coordinator), then yes, it is incomplete. but again, may's story isn't complete either. True, true. With the Hoenn remakes coming up, if they decide to have Ash visit Hoenn once more in the anime, it's no surprise if both May and Dawn rejoins Ash. I don't think it's likely we'll see Ash in Hoenn once more though. We probably have a better chance at cameos in XY. Then again, if it's a story about the coordinators, Hoenn is probably the best choice since that's where contests originated. I don't know, but it just leaves a bad taste to have incomplete stories of characters from the past.
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Post by NovaStorm on Oct 2, 2014 1:37:49 GMT
As far as Serena's feminism goes, I've seen it said somewhere that since Serena has the most feministic traits and abilities she is the best candidate for Ash. But I guess that really isn't a good argument; feminism has little part in how good a partner is. But then again, that would give more reason for tomboys such as Misty, Angie, and Anabel to be Ash's partner.
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Post by Reis on Oct 2, 2014 2:54:11 GMT
As far as Serena's feminism goes, I've seen it said somewhere that since Serena has the most feministic traits and abilities she is the best candidate for Ash. But I guess that really isn't a good argument; feminism has little part in how good a partner is. But then again, that would give more reason for tomboys such as Misty, Angie, and Anabel to be Ash's partner. Not exactly. Personality is one thing, but the relationship shared between Ash and a female is another. It takes two people to make a successful relationship. So even if the girl has the "right"personality, it doesn't necessarily mean she is right for Ash. If you don't know the one you're in a relationship with well and don't bother to delve deeper into who he/she is as a person, then a relationship will not work. Think of it this way: you don't normally reveal really personal details on who you are as a person unless you trust that person. If you can't bring yourself to tell the one you're in a relationship with, it shows you don't fully trust that person. And if trust does not exist or it isn't complete in a relationship, it won't work well or last very long.
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Post by NovaStorm on Oct 2, 2014 4:29:15 GMT
As far as Serena's feminism goes, I've seen it said somewhere that since Serena has the most feministic traits and abilities she is the best candidate for Ash. But I guess that really isn't a good argument; feminism has little part in how good a partner is. But then again, that would give more reason for tomboys such as Misty, Angie, and Anabel to be Ash's partner. Not exactly. Personality is one thing, but the relationship shared between Ash and a female is another. It takes two people to make a successful relationship. So even if the girl has the "right"personality, it doesn't necessarily mean she is right for Ash. If you don't know the one you're in a relationship with well and don't bother to delve deeper into who he/she is as a person, then a relationship will not work. Think of it this way: you don't normally reveal really personal details on who you are as a person unless you trust that person. If you can't bring yourself to tell the one you're in a relationship with, it shows you don't fully trust that person. And if trust does not exist or it isn't complete in a relationship, it won't work well or last very long. That's true. I guess that goes to show that Ash and Dawn are the best for each other because they have the best relationship, not because of individual traits such as feminism. You're right; Ash and Dawn's relationship is most important.
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Post by icypiplup on Oct 3, 2014 2:48:56 GMT
Serena is definitely girly.but then again Harley did dress up as May.
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