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Post by Madun on Sept 30, 2014 19:59:27 GMT
In the end, it's not the 'girliness' that will decide who he will end up with, but the bond he shares with them. I have no idea how anyone could ever regard something like this as a real argument.
As for the poll, there are different opinions on what is 'girly' and what not, so views may vary considerably. I can't really make an objective decision on that, my first guess would be that Serena is a bit more girly from what I've seen, but that's pretty much it. I really like the third option, though.
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Post by shiny.pikachu on Oct 1, 2014 0:22:45 GMT
Harley!!! I mean . He dresses like May...
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Post by Annoymous on Oct 1, 2014 10:04:49 GMT
let's see-
dawn: - fusses about her hair all the time - she's the only one whose hair gets messed up after waking up everyday - likes dressing up - take 1000000000 hours to dress up - drags her friends to shop with her - poffins (i'm not sure if this is really a girly trait) - makes them carry her shopping bags - thinks boys are pain in the neck - forgets all about her 'bond' with ash when she gets company of a female friend. sometimes she even imitates the female friends traits. (calling ash a kid)
serena:- can make baked goods (again, i don't think cooking is really a girlry trait, same goes for dawn's puffins) - likes to dress up
biased users, we have a winner here. and the winner is dawn. congratulations, now dawn will become ash's bride.
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Post by CuriousChesnaught on Oct 1, 2014 10:44:58 GMT
Okay, I so ROFL'ed there XD BTW, Girly or not it all depends on who Ash works best with =p *voted for Harley*
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Post by Reis on Oct 1, 2014 11:05:39 GMT
let's see- dawn: - fusses about her hair all the time - she's the only one whose hair gets messed up after waking up everyday - likes dressing up - take 1000000000 hours to dress up - drags her friends to shop with her - poffins (i'm not sure if this is really a girly trait) - makes them carry her shopping bags - thinks boys are pain in the neck - forgets all about her 'bond' with ash when she gets company of a female friend. sometimes she even imitates the female friends traits. (calling ash a kid) serena:- can make baked goods (again, i don't think cooking is really a girlry trait, same goes for dawn's puffins) - likes to dress up biased users, we have a winner here. and the winner is dawn. congratulations, now dawn will become ash's bride. Quite a few problems with what you posted, but let's focus on when you said Dawn forgot her bond with Ash. I don't know how you drew that conclusion but it's not true. Granted,the entire cameo had more potential, but that's besides the point. Dawn becoming Iris's friend did not lead to her forgetting her bond with Ash. And her calling Ash a kid like Iris does is not anything you can use to say that Dawn forgot her bond with Ash. It's called teasing. Teasing isn't something you do to people you forget about. While not always, teasing is a former of showing affection to another person, especially when you use it in a lighthearted and joking manner. Also, who's the biased one here? You clearly omitted things on Serena's list of things that make her more girly. There are things she does that makes her more girly than Dawn, especially the fanservice costume. You also added false information on Dawn's list. Aside from Conway, she had next to no problems with the boys. If she did, she would have left Ash's group as quickly as she joined seeing as both Ash and Brock are boys.
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Post by annoymous on Oct 1, 2014 11:42:05 GMT
you haven't seen bw90, have you? in that episode she said "boys can be a pain at times". and yeah, dawn does forget about her 'bond' whenever she's with ash's other companion. when may came to honnen, she let her piplup use bubblebeam on ash but that's just a one time thing so it's not a big deal. but when she met iris she called ash a kid too. a little teasing is fine but she teased him too much throughout bw89. in bw she cheered less for ash and more for iris and her dragonite. even in her final cameo episode her and ash's 'bond' was not that good. they had just a battle that's it. even the goodbye scene was not good as the dp goodbye scene. they didn't even high five. conclusion - i admit she had a good bond with ash in dp, but in bw that bond wasn't as strong as dp. in dawn's bw cameo she had some minor changes in her personality which made her a little annoying to be honest. i omitted serena's list? fyi, i did put she likes to dress up in her list so you can't say that. but don't worry, dawn is still going to be ash's bride.
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Post by CuriousChesnaught on Oct 1, 2014 12:21:16 GMT
Waaaaait. Dawn only did such things (like using Bubble beam etc) because she was confident that Ash wouldn't mind. As in, she knows that they're close!
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Post by Annoymous on Oct 1, 2014 12:42:22 GMT
Waaaaait. Dawn only did such things (like using Bubble beam etc) because she was confident that Ash wouldn't mind. As in, she knows that they're close! maybe ash didn't mind in diamond and pearl series, but he did mind when she and iris teamed up to call them a kid. ash told them to knock it off but they didn't listen. before entering the onix cave iris and dawn called ash a kid again, which made him storm off towards the cave by himself. it's very clear ash was annoyed by iris and dawn's teasing. i hate to say this, but in bw it seemed like dawn has more bond with iris than ash because she barely talked to ash after bw89.
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Post by NovaStorm on Oct 1, 2014 13:53:27 GMT
Waaaaait. Dawn only did such things (like using Bubble beam etc) because she was confident that Ash wouldn't mind. As in, she knows that they're close! maybe ash didn't mind in diamond and pearl series, but he did mind when she and iris teamed up to call them a kid. ash told them to knock it off but they didn't listen. before entering the onix cave iris and dawn called ash a kid again, which made him storm off towards the cave by himself. it's very clear ash was annoyed by iris and dawn's teasing. i hate to say this, but in bw it seemed like dawn has more bond with iris than ash because she barely talked to ash after bw89. Maybe you're right but remember this is BW we're talking about here. This is the most we can expect. What more if Dawn's cameo was in a different saga that might have handled it much better? I consider Ash being affected by Dawn's teasing an important Ash hint. And Ash hints are worth more than the female's hints because any female can like Ash. It's about who Ash chooses. It also makes complete sense that Dawn of all people would say "Boys can be a pain in the neck sometimes". Think about all of the boys she had in DP. Ash, Brock, Paul, Reggie, Kenny, Gary, Conway, Barry, Nando, the guy from the summer camp, and so on. Relating this to Cilan is not a change in her character. In the Sinnoh League she notices the same thing when Barry and Conway are sitting with them. But the bond was lost? I guess it was seen much less in BW. The last episode does make up for a lot of it, though. Cynthia's commentary on Ash and Dawn's battle was all about their bond. And at the end, they tell each other to both continue on their dreams. When it comes to their goals and dreams, Ash and Dawn have always worked together and that can't be taken away.
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Post by Annoymous on Oct 1, 2014 15:14:25 GMT
Maybe you're right but remember this is BW we're talking about here. This is the most we can expect. What more if Dawn's cameo was in a different saga that might have handled it much better? maybe, or maybe not. i guess the bw writers were trying hard to prove ash and dawn sees each as just friends. "affected" or annoyed? iirc, ash reacted to iris's teasing several times. does that mean ash likes iris? so ash getting annoyed by dawn's teasing is a "hint"? ok. It also makes complete sense that Dawn of all people would say "Boys can be a pain in the neck sometimes". Think about all of the boys she had in DP. Ash, Brock, Paul, Reggie, Kenny, Gary, Conway, Barry, Nando, the guy from the summer camp, and so on.[/quote] but only barry, kenny and conway were a pain, not all of them. if dawn thinks that way about boys, then she needs some serious help. i doubt ash would ever romantically like her if she keeps thinking this way. both of them were annoying to begin with, so back then dawn's statement made sense. but in bw her statement about "all boys" sounded very wrong. but cynthia's commentary seemed less about their bond and more about their growth as a trainer. but even that didn't make sense since both of them were defeated by iris and trip respectivly. and if ash had his xy skills, quilava would've been lost. yeah, the same way ash and may told each other to follow their dreams in dp. yeah, they did work together in dp, but not much in bw. it can't be helped if the bond wasn't really there during her cameo. but don't worry, they'd still end up marrying in the future.
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