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Post by NovaStorm on Jul 13, 2014 15:43:06 GMT
Out of all the Pokegirls, did you know that Serena was the only one to be asked by Ash to come along?
Amourshippers can use this argument as well to support their ship. The thought is that since Serena was the only one to be asked by Ash, Serena is 'special' and would also be the only one to be chosen by Ash in a relationship.
This comes from the extreme three part 1st gym battle arc of XY 5, 6, 7 that shook the entire Pokémon shipping world. Serena apparently helped Ash out with his strategy in the battle, so he asked Serena to travel with them.
The most important thing to consider here is Ash's side. We already know Serena likes Ash. But does Ash like Serena because he chose her to travel?
I say no. Ash's relation pointing to Serena says, 'Let's travel'! Nothing else, but that's all he asked for. In fact, Ash currently does not care much about Serena and has not reciprocated any feelings or attraction for Serena. So while Serena's crush is 100% canon, Ash's feelings are at zero.
Furthermore, this shows that Ash is really just friend zoning or 'travel zoning' Serena. Let's travel? If anything, this shows Serena is NOT special to Ash!
But wait, there was something else Ash asked. Ash asked for Serena's help; does this mean that Ash needs Serena? After that episode, it turns out Serena hasn't helped out Ash at all. She even was a setback to Ash's training in the Pokevision episode. To be fair, Dawn was the one who 'helped' and supported Ash the most through training in his journey and his Top 4 placing is proof. Ash didn't have this support in BW and even XY. So of course Ash would request a similar feeling from Serena. And of course, the non-working Serena cannot return the genuine support and pushing forward Dawn provided to Ash.
Because of Serena's non-development, she also cannot match the chemistry Dawn had with Ash.
Lastly, Serena being asked by Ash was a forced obligation. If Ash never asked Serena, Serena would have never asked because she would be too timid and naive. The only way for the writers to get her in was to have Ash ask her. They had to do it like that or else Serena would have never been a main character.
It's not that Serena was the only one to be asked by Ash. It's that Serena was such a shallow character that she was the only one who HAD to be asked. Serena didn't have the character/strength to ask Ash herself so Ash had to do it for her.
Anything to add? Any disagreements? Serena may have been the only one to be asked by Ash, but Dawn was the only one to ask Ash herself.
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Post by IceArceus on Jul 13, 2014 16:31:08 GMT
They probably got Ash to ask Serena because it was variation from the other Pokegirls. Just a new plot point, nothing more, AMOURSHIPPERS.
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Post by NovaStorm on Jul 14, 2014 1:11:59 GMT
They probably got Ash to ask Serena because it was variation from the other Pokegirls. Just a new plot point, nothing more, AMOURSHIPPERS. Variation is actually a good point; I mean what else would they do?
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Post by SakuraBlossom on Jul 14, 2014 6:29:18 GMT
I believe it's for variation as well. She didn't have a reason to force herself into the group and it would've been unoriginal for her to ask him directly. Ash asking her was just a way to create Serena's entry to the group. Even if Serena was the first girl he asked, Dawn was the FIRST female lead who Ash approved of traveling with him.
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Post by NovaStorm on Jul 14, 2014 6:41:11 GMT
So I guess that means that Ash asking Serena was just something they needed to do to be different. The crush is also a variation, but having such a character be chosen is only just to promote XY.
I also think that there was NO other way to get Serena (the marketing tool) into the group other than Ash asking her. Maybe it was just an obligation that they HAD to do.
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Post by (Banned) on Nov 17, 2014 17:07:45 GMT
Out of all the Pokegirls, did you know that Serena was the only one to be asked by Ash to come along? Amourshippers can use this argument as well to support their ship. The thought is that since Serena was the only one to be asked by Ash, Serena is 'special' and would also be the only one to be chosen by Ash in a relationship. This comes from the extreme three part 1st gym battle arc of XY 5, 6, 7 that shook the entire Pokémon shipping world. Serena apparently helped Ash out with his strategy in the battle, so he asked Serena to travel with them. The most important thing to consider here is Ash's side. We already know Serena likes Ash. But does Ash like Serena because he chose her to travel? I say no. Ash's relation pointing to Serena says, 'Let's travel'! Nothing else, but that's all he asked for. In fact, Ash currently does not care much about Serena and has not reciprocated any feelings or attraction for Serena. So while Serena's crush is 100% canon, Ash's feelings are at zero. Furthermore, this shows that Ash is really just friend zoning or 'travel zoning' Serena. Let's travel? If anything, this shows Serena is NOT special to Ash! But wait, there was something else Ash asked. Ash asked for Serena's help; does this mean that Ash needs Serena? After that episode, it turns out Serena hasn't helped out Ash at all. She even was a setback to Ash's training in the Pokevision episode. To be fair, Dawn was the one who 'helped' and supported Ash the most through training in his journey and his Top 4 placing is proof. Ash didn't have this support in BW and even XY. So of course Ash would request a similar feeling from Serena. And of course, the non-working Serena cannot return the genuine support and pushing forward Dawn provided to Ash. Because of Serena's non-development, she also cannot match the chemistry Dawn had with Ash. Lastly, Serena being asked by Ash was a forced obligation. If Ash never asked Serena, Serena would have never asked because she would be too timid and naive. The only way for the writers to get her in was to have Ash ask her. They had to do it like that or else Serena would have never been a main character. It's not that Serena was the only one to be asked by Ash. It's that Serena was such a shallow character that she was the only one who HAD to be asked. Serena didn't have the character/strength to ask Ash herself so Ash had to do it for her. Anything to add? Any disagreements? Serena may have been the only one to be asked by Ash, but Dawn was the only one to ask Ash herself. Okay, first of all, it's "evidence". It's not absolute proof. However, notice how Ash was scratching his cheek when he asked (something I noticed you guys keep ignoring) Because of Serena's non-development, she also cannot match the chemistry Dawn had with Ash.
Give it time. Serena is being more developed than she was before.
I say no. Ash's relation pointing to Serena says, 'Let's travel'! Nothing else, but that's all he asked for. In fact, Ash currently does not care much about Serena and has not reciprocated any feelings or attraction for Serena. So while Serena's crush is 100% canon, Ash's feelings are at zero.
Furthermore, this shows that Ash is really just friend zoning or 'travel zoning' Serena. Let's travel? If anything, this shows Serena is NOT special to Ash!
I literally choked on my top ramen when I read this... YES. It's one-sided... That's not proof against it. Pearl shipping is neither sided. However, yes you guys have more hints than us (not proportionaly though), but give the series some time... Ash actually started to interct with her more. The part where I choked was when the non sequitur of Ash asking serena to travel is him friend-zoning her. That doesn't fit your premises. And the first premise is false anyways. He said more than tjust "let's travel". Dawn is NO threat to amourshipping compared to ash's obliviousness to her hints. In fact his obliviousness is the BIGGEST threat. That's why he isn't showing his feelings. Guys don't hint like that to girls unless they suspect they like them back. Since Ash is Oblivious (VERY) then oblviously he won't show any hints: It's too risky. Notice I'm not saying this is FOR SURE. It's mostly speculation like everything on this site, and every hint in amourshipping aside from the merchandise and Serena's Crush. Shippers in a nutshell (Come on, self-depreciation is fun): Hey, I spilled my milk that's EVIDENCE for (Insert favorite pairing here)
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Post by NovaStorm on Nov 17, 2014 17:10:38 GMT
I just thought of something. Pearlshippers also say Ash's obliviousness is a threat. Maybe that can apply for all ships.
I can agree with the self depreciation XD.
And I will certainly give it time. Serena is getting developed right now for sure. We'll have to just wait see with Amour.
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Post by (Banned) on Nov 17, 2014 17:24:48 GMT
I just thought of something. Pearlshippers also say Ash's obliviousness is a threat. Maybe that can apply for all ships. I can agree with the self depreciation XD. And I will certainly give it time. Serena is getting developed right now for sure. We'll have to just wait see with Amour. I think it does too. It's EVERY shipping's biggest threat. By the way, I've though of somthing: all the posts I've replied to were from MONTHS ago when the arguments you guys supplied were plausible (lack of development, lack of interaction with Ash, etc.) However, I've noticed those were refuted by future episodes.
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Post by NovaStorm on Nov 17, 2014 17:36:20 GMT
Especially anything talking about Serena has been refuted. Back then, there was little development. Now, they made tbe opening animation and the ending dedicated to Serena to tell everyone that Serena is getting development. Serena has two Pokémon and now is striving towards a goal.
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Post by ♪☆ℜⓐmisaღ'sℙandieBear❀❁ on Nov 21, 2014 2:40:57 GMT
*Clear throat* Out of all the Pokegirls so far,Dawn is the only one that has seen three of Ash's main rivals (Gary,Paul,and Trip).She is also the only girl so far that seen three of his outfits (Hoenn,Sinnoh,Unova).
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