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Post by satohika on Sept 24, 2016 23:58:54 GMT
That said, a lot of people on YouTube conveniently ignore Pearlshipping and its influence. So it's not a surprise that western fans have a warped idea of Dawn's character and Pearlshipping. Yet in Japan, Pearlshipping may be less active but they are still going strong awaiting Dawn's return. But why do many in the western fanbase disregard Dawn and her influence? In fact Pearl is still the most healthy out of all non-Amour Ash ships in Japan, aside from ships like Palletshipping.
One reason is because of the dub writers and TPCi who largely cut more than 50% of all Pearlshipping hints (whether by altering its original context, promoting rival ships or outright omitting them) and nearly all off-screen promotions of Pearlshipping compared to the original Japanese series. If I'm not wrong, High Touch doesn't exist for the western fanbase. The diminishing of Pearlshipping outside of Asia led to an explosion of Amourshipping, under the impression that Pearlshipping never happened. TPCi never explicitly promoted Ash and Dawn together like in the original Japanese, and same with Pikachu's friendship with Piplup and Buneary's crush on Pikachu.
This is why when the end of XYZ draws near, the coming revelations will hit them like a natural disaster of epic proportions. They weren't ready for it, but many of us were and had knowledge beforehand. I don't understand why people like Lockstin assume Pokeshipping is near canon when it was mostly promoted by 4kids and not the producers of the Japanese version, especially Takeshi Shudo. They severely diminish the role of Dawn's character and Pearlshipping, conveniently ignoring her when she was the co-star of the DP series. I mean they have gotten many things right, but they fail to notice the gigantic elephant in the room- Dawn's character and Pearlshipping.
When Dawn returns to the series in XYZ, they would be coming up with theories as to why Dawn returned when the pieces of the puzzle were always there except they failed to connect the pieces. Now keep in mind the fanbase has been assuming that Dawn will never come back, maybe their thoughts could be vindicated by her not showing up. If so, why are Japanese Pearlshippers feel optimistic about Dawn's coming return, so they know something most people in the fanbase don't? But looking into perspective: Would it really be feasible to think that by only having Ash and Serena in the last arc, wouldn't that mean they have implied Amourshipping is canon, knowing there is very little progression in Amour, knowing it's still almost completely one-sided? I guess with the newer episode summaries, most people would assume a lot of things.
I can be wrong about my predictions, but the whole idea behind the series is about marketing. Dawn and Piplup are certainly marketable. So is Serena and her Braixen to a lesser extent.
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Post by evilpearlzrox1 on Sept 25, 2016 11:41:48 GMT
Yea....I myself didn't support Pearlshipping until I stumbled upon Pearlshipping TV. You see, I saw Pokémon in dub so when I saw the TV's theories I was determined to watch DP in sub. The sub told me about all the hints plus high touch. I was a pokeshipper first seeing as the dub really supported poke and Misty. All the western fans have little to NO idea about Pearlshipping hints. They either support amour because of all the obvious blushing on Serena's part or maybe poke...
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Post by IceArceus on Sept 25, 2016 15:07:53 GMT
Also a lot of them fail to realise Ash and Dawn aren't adults
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Post by PikaFUSION on Sept 25, 2016 19:54:37 GMT
Yea....I myself didn't support Pearlshipping until I stumbled upon Pearlshipping TV. You see, I saw Pokémon in dub so when I saw the TV's theories I was determined to watch DP in sub. The sub told me about all the hints plus high touch. I was a pokeshipper first seeing as the dub really supported poke and Misty. All the western fans have little to NO idea about Pearlshipping hints. They either support amour because of all the obvious blushing on Serena's part or maybe poke... Same. Before I found Pearlshipping TV I shipped amour because it felt like it was possibe and veey popular. Plus, when I was a amourshipper I believed pearlshipping was the weakest because they were only friendship. And of course I don't believe these things now
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Post by Spartakos on Sept 25, 2016 21:09:39 GMT
In the west i think nostalgia hits them hard in their ass...they were very upset when Misty left...and of course the dub made the show kinda like romantic style between ash and Misty which in the japanese version it was talking about friendship and when Serena came they made it more romantic with the children-romance between ash and serena and remind the old fans the ""ROMANCE"" in Pokémon with ""ASH AND MISTY"" IN THE DUB...and because Dawn and Ash didn't showed romantic sights to each other they believe that this is *human waste* and non-cannon at all
i haven't seen any pokeshipper having ship facts from the japanese version but only from the dub version
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Post by PlatinumSun on Sept 26, 2016 3:25:20 GMT
First of all, I found myself to be a Pearlshipper even through the dub.
Maybe the mirror worlds have portals that can connect the dub universe to the sub universe. Ash can have Misty in the dub world and Ash will have Dawn for the sub world
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Post by satohika on Sept 26, 2016 3:44:05 GMT
Yea....I myself didn't support Pearlshipping until I stumbled upon Pearlshipping TV. You see, I saw Pokémon in dub so when I saw the TV's theories I was determined to watch DP in sub. The sub told me about all the hints plus high touch. I was a pokeshipper first seeing as the dub really supported poke and Misty. All the western fans have little to NO idea about Pearlshipping hints. They either support amour because of all the obvious blushing on Serena's part or maybe poke... In the west i think nostalgia hits them hard in their ass...they were very upset when Misty left...and of course the dub made the show kinda like romantic style between ash and Misty which in the japanese version it was talking about friendship and when Serena came they made it more romantic with the children-romance between ash and serena and remind the old fans the ""ROMANCE"" in Pokémon with ""ASH AND MISTY"" IN THE DUB...and because Dawn and Ash didn't showed romantic sights to each other they believe that this is *human waste* and non-cannon at all i haven't seen any pokeshipper having ship facts from the japanese version but only from the dub version In the case of Misty, she just happened to be a girl so 4kids decided to ship her with Ash. While the Japanese hints are much less compared to the 4kids dub version. In the Japanese version, Ash's ideal concept of what is a 'girl' is that she has to be a 'girly girl', different than that of Misty, Iris or even May. He probably didn't even think of Misty as a girl at first because she acted like a boy. That's why in one of the Japanese episodes, he told Misty that she finally looks like a girl. I mean he probably didn't even see May as a girl sometimes because she was a glutton (like he was) and didn't quite act like one at times. And forget about Iris, she's basically the Unova version of Misty. Only Dawn and Serena stood out to him as 'girls', except he had a much higher opinion of Dawn than Serena. Even though while Serena acts girlier than Dawn, Ash hasn't noticed her in the same sense he notices Dawn.
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Post by Amsiulx on Sept 26, 2016 3:59:37 GMT
Personally, I think it's more about the fact that fans consider a shipping "dead" as soon as Ash moves onto another region, I mean why else would Amourshippers be freaking out that much about Sun and Moon series? (other than for Ash design) It's because they suspect or fear that Ash is going to leave Serena in Kalos and move on like he does every single time and that's gonna be it. Altough I also think they understimate Pearlshipping and other shippings, just because they have the "advantage" of Serenas canon crush on Ash.
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Post by satohika on Sept 26, 2016 4:14:51 GMT
Personally, I think it's more about the fact that fans consider a shipping "dead" as soon as Ash moves onto another region, I mean why else would Amourshippers be freaking out that much about Sun and Moon series? (other than for Ash design) It's because they suspect or fear that Ash is going to leave Serena in Kalos and move on like he does every single time and that's gonna be it. Altough I also think they understimate Pearlshipping and other shippings, just because they have the "advantage" of Serenas canon crush on Ash. From what I can understand, most people think girls are replaced by a girl of another generation. I don't think this is the case. And also because Iris, Misty and May are intermediates between two extremes of goal-seeking and romanticism. So they aren't as polarized towards these priorities compared to either Serena or Dawn. People assume that May replaced Misty, but this is an incorrect assumption as they don't have symbolism or foreshadowing that indicates a replacement. Same with how people assume Dawn 'replaced' May. The truth is that Dawn replaced Misty and Serena replaced May. And they have been planning this since the 3rd-4th generation series. Dawn fulfills the tsundere archetype, except she is much milder in temperament than Misty, making her a type B tsundere rather than a type A tsundere. Dawn has a Togekiss, which is of the Togepi evolutionary line. Dawn's most iconic Pokémon also happens to be a water type. The biggest giveaways that Serena replaced May is because she owns an Eevee, she also took a long amount of time to decide on a goal of hers and because of her growing crush on Ash (mirrored with May's crush on Drew). So far none of the Alola female cast members have the symbolism or foreshadowing that they are indicated to replace either Serena or Dawn. Amourshippers are basically freaking out for no reason. Personally, I don't believe she is left behind in Kalos. She will likely go to Kanto BUT would end up not going to Alola or travelling to another region. She could go to Alola, who knows, but that's why Dawn is there as a counterbalance. I've made several theories regarding both Dawn and Serena, and how they are both part of the eventual endgame of the series. Even when looking from DP -> BW -> XY. Iris wasn't really that close with Ash, and didn't bother showing up in Kalos. Instead Iris saw Pearlshipping and the bonds between Ash and Dawn like everyone else. I mean the producers and writers could be doing a repeat of Misty meets May in Pallet Town except Dawn takes the role of Misty and Serena takes the role of May this time.
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Post by PlatinumSun on Sept 26, 2016 5:12:04 GMT
Tfw everyone believes that girls are replaceable lol
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