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Post by evilpearlzrox1 on Sept 26, 2016 10:38:22 GMT
They could have brushed it aside for the rest of the series, since it started out as a simple crush that can be ignored or treated as a joke. But then they decided to give her a haircut and make it as though as if Serena is becoming more and more obsessed with Ash, especially since she had episodes devoted to her falling deeper in with Ash. I don't think they came up with it as they went, they probably planned it years before, maybe as long as since DP was planned. I mean if they weren't going to abandon it eventually, then why would they even push it? That said I'm neutral to it and can see the underlying point behind it, but I tend to dislike most of those who ship Ash with Serena because they tend to breathe down peoples' necks and force Amour down their throats. There's been very little relationship development, but Amour has its own other glaring flaws most Amourshippers fail to notice. Even Pearlshippers are aware of its main flaws, despite being almost everything that Amourshipping wishes itself to be in a way. Again which is why there is the Candy Girl vs High Touch comparison. I mean they could have had Dawn in Kalos but would that make sense? Maybe at the end, but I doubt that she would have been at the start. So they probably must have had Serena there for a good reason, and being shipping bait itself isn't going to increase ratings or popularity in the long term. Agree, i see a lot of Amourshippers treating Dawn like it was nothing to Ash and i hate when i hear that Serena did this and Serena did that to Ash and the other pokegirls were in its shadow...the reason that she cut her hair was about the lost in her first performance and wanted something new to her ordinary style...I don't think Dawn would appear in the end...She wanted to go to Kanto with Ash but will she do that??? I don't think so. Dawn is completely focused on her dream like Ash so unless she has some motive to go to Kanto, she won't. Also, in Japan, cutting your hair is a sign that you wish to start anew. Serena lost and to show her DETERMINATION she cut her hair, not because she wanted Ash to NOTICE HER IN A ROMANTIC VIEW.
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Post by satohika on Sept 26, 2016 16:51:45 GMT
Agree, i see a lot of Amourshippers treating Dawn like it was nothing to Ash and i hate when i hear that Serena did this and Serena did that to Ash and the other pokegirls were in its shadow...the reason that she cut her hair was about the lost in her first performance and wanted something new to her ordinary style...I don't think Dawn would appear in the end...She wanted to go to Kanto with Ash but will she do that??? I don't think so. Dawn is completely focused on her dream like Ash so unless she has some motive to go to Kanto, she won't. Also, in Japan, cutting your hair is a sign that you wish to start anew. Serena lost and to show her DETERMINATION she cut her hair, not because she wanted Ash to NOTICE HER IN A ROMANTIC VIEW. Who knows what they will do. Dawn could even go on a vacation like Ash did. Even Zoey had to take a break from contests and yet she beat Dawn every single time. If she were so focused on her goal, then why did she go through such lengths to travel to Unova just to see Ash? When Ash didn't expect that she was coming? Dawn is also again a bit of a tsundere when she says she came to Unova just for the Junior Cup, she just came to Unova to see Ash and used the tournament as an excuse. So I wouldn't doubt that they're putting her in Pallet at the last episode arc but again only if Serena leaves Kalos with Ash. If Serena was the only one, we'd think the staff are making Amour canon despite how little progression Serena has with Ash. Dawn could be pulling similar excuses in Kanto saying that she was visiting her Ambipom training for Ping-Pong in Vermillion City. Well in Serena's case, when she cut her hair, Clemont and Bonnie were confused as to why she did that. She cut her hair partially as a nonverbal message to Ash. But after she cut her hair, the intensity and progression on Serena's side in regards to Amour seem to have increased. She could have abandoned her crush on Ash like it was nothing. But this time, they devoted a song to Serena's one-sided unconditional love for Ash. And they had several episodes dedicated to Amour, so unless if they have trashy writing, I doubt they'll completely abandon Amour. If they did, they should have done that in the first year of XY, when it was still a simple crush on Ash. I seem to hold some amount of hope in Dawn returning since Megumi Toyoguchi said that she would eventually be back to reprise her role as a main cast member again, which is a hint that Dawn is very likely to come back.
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Post by Spartakos on Sept 26, 2016 21:10:06 GMT
I don't think so. Dawn is completely focused on her dream like Ash so unless she has some motive to go to Kanto, she won't. Also, in Japan, cutting your hair is a sign that you wish to start anew. Serena lost and to show her DETERMINATION she cut her hair, not because she wanted Ash to NOTICE HER IN A ROMANTIC VIEW. Who knows what they will do. Dawn could even go on a vacation like Ash did. Even Zoey had to take a break from contests and yet she beat Dawn every single time. If she were so focused on her goal, then why did she go through such lengths to travel to Unova just to see Ash? When Ash didn't expect that she was coming? Dawn is also again a bit of a tsundere when she says she came to Unova just for the Junior Cup, she just came to Unova to see Ash and used the tournament as an excuse. So I wouldn't doubt that they're putting her in Pallet at the last episode arc but again only if Serena leaves Kalos with Ash. If Serena was the only one, we'd think the staff are making Amour canon despite how little progression Serena has with Ash. Dawn could be pulling similar excuses in Kanto saying that she was visiting her Ambipom training for Ping-Pong in Vermillion City. Well in Serena's case, when she cut her hair, Clemont and Bonnie were confused as to why she did that. She cut her hair partially as a nonverbal message to Ash. But after she cut her hair, the intensity and progression on Serena's side in regards to Amour seem to have increased. She could have abandoned her crush on Ash like it was nothing. But this time, they devoted a song to Serena's one-sided unconditional love for Ash. And they had several episodes dedicated to Amour, so unless if they have trashy writing, I doubt they'll completely abandon Amour. If they did, they should have done that in the first year of XY, when it was still a simple crush on Ash. I seem to hold some amount of hope in Dawn returning since Megumi Toyoguchi said that she would eventually be back to reprise her role as a main cast member again, which is a hint that Dawn is very likely to come back. I didn't saw May coming again after ruby and sapphire remakes that's why i don't think Dawn will come again... I think Serena's message to Ash was the blue ribbon not her hair but you have a point there....from her side Amour has increased but from Ash's side i think remains the same (that they are friends). Also i'm trying for days now to find Megumi Tyoguchi's interview if what she said about her return is true...
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Post by satohika on Sept 26, 2016 21:14:30 GMT
Who knows what they will do. Dawn could even go on a vacation like Ash did. Even Zoey had to take a break from contests and yet she beat Dawn every single time. If she were so focused on her goal, then why did she go through such lengths to travel to Unova just to see Ash? When Ash didn't expect that she was coming? Dawn is also again a bit of a tsundere when she says she came to Unova just for the Junior Cup, she just came to Unova to see Ash and used the tournament as an excuse. So I wouldn't doubt that they're putting her in Pallet at the last episode arc but again only if Serena leaves Kalos with Ash. If Serena was the only one, we'd think the staff are making Amour canon despite how little progression Serena has with Ash. Dawn could be pulling similar excuses in Kanto saying that she was visiting her Ambipom training for Ping-Pong in Vermillion City. Well in Serena's case, when she cut her hair, Clemont and Bonnie were confused as to why she did that. She cut her hair partially as a nonverbal message to Ash. But after she cut her hair, the intensity and progression on Serena's side in regards to Amour seem to have increased. She could have abandoned her crush on Ash like it was nothing. But this time, they devoted a song to Serena's one-sided unconditional love for Ash. And they had several episodes dedicated to Amour, so unless if they have trashy writing, I doubt they'll completely abandon Amour. If they did, they should have done that in the first year of XY, when it was still a simple crush on Ash. I seem to hold some amount of hope in Dawn returning since Megumi Toyoguchi said that she would eventually be back to reprise her role as a main cast member again, which is a hint that Dawn is very likely to come back. I didn't saw May coming again after ruby and sapphire remakes that's why i don't think Dawn will come again... I think Serena's message to Ash was the blue ribbon not her hair but you have a point there....from her side Amour has increased but from Ash's side i think remains the same (that they are friends). Also i'm trying for days now to find Megumi Tyoguchi's interview if what she said about her return is true... Well in May's case, her voice actress retired because of medical reasons. So they instead replaced May with Serena and Shouta. Serena because she is closer to May's development and character and Shouta because he's from Hoenn. The Japanese Pearlshipping website has a summary of Toyoguchi's interview in their forum archives. But it's main website is down so I posted the original somewhere around here in Pearlshipping Vault. Even so her return is hinted as an implication. So the last part of her interview was suspicious to me. Which indicated that she would appear in the future series. ロケット団ひみつ帝国に豊口めぐみさんが出たメモ 明日くらい配信されると思うのでおすすめ ・豊口さんがポケモンを育てたことはコジローの用意したリスト上は無い ※育てる=ポケモンの声を演じる ・でもジョーイさんのラッキーを育てていた ・ラッキーの声は団地妻のようにという演技指導らしい(この件で妙なもりあがりが) ・ヒカリまで歴代ヒロインの人はみんなラッキーを育てていた ・ヒカリのお友達について ※お友達=人間の声を演じる ヒカリは「かわいかった、すごくかわいかった」 ・ポッチャマも本当にかわいかった ポッチャマの育てやさんとも仲良し 支えてもらったとかそんなようなこと ・スタジオへ行った最初の気持ち「はきそうでした」 (この前アイリスの人も同じこと言ってた) ・ポケモンについて、ゲームもやってたし、おはスタで予告をよんでた 何年かたって本編にでられてうれしかった ・ヒカリ役はオーディション かえんぐるまをかえんしゃと読んでしまった ・AGのセーラ姫のときマイクを間違えてわれを見失って焦ったのが印象に残ってる ・久しぶりにベストウィッシュでポッチャマと再開してうれしかった スタジオの雰囲気は若返った感じ ・R団「またちょっとお別れしちゃうんだって」 また会えるといいですねっていう流れで ムサシ「ほんとに出たい?」 豊「出ましょうよ、もちろん出ましょうよ」 「レギュラーになっちゃうのかなという雰囲気をかもしだしてましたよね」 豊「偉い人おねがいしまーす」 ↑この最後のとこが一番もりあがった もっといろいろ言ってたけど録音してないからまた聞きたいな ebfea082eb179bec63d2dfcd1f5839fc0366bed0.googledrive.com/host/0BxBdujPuPmVwNUFaVTNEU0RQeEU/shodai_bbs/1344048936.htmlI can be proven wrong though, but the sequence of events would be: Serena leaves Kalos with Ash Both arrive at Kanto, Ash reunites with Dawn whether in a city or in Pallet Town They all either go to Alola or Ash is left behind while they are off to another region like Sinnoh. Given how Dawn and Johanna know Delia and Serena has never met her on screen. So of course Dawn will know where Ash lives because she's his best friend.
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Post by PlatinumSun on Sept 26, 2016 22:43:02 GMT
Wow I don't know that May's VA retired! For emergency reasons too!
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Post by satohika on Sept 26, 2016 23:01:37 GMT
Wow I don't know that May's VA retired! For emergency reasons too! She's been ill for quite a while and she hasn't been in any voice acting roles since. And in the ORAS games, she didn't voice May, but Kana Hanazawa voiced her instead. So if KAORI isn't there then May wouldn't come back at all. But there is also this but I haven't noticed any roles from her in the series. It makes me think they actually did replace her with Serena. www.pocketmonsters.net/articles/1922Apparently she has spasmodic dysphonia, which would have made her ill suited for voice acting. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasmodic_dysphonia
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Post by evilpearlzrox1 on Sept 27, 2016 0:46:30 GMT
Wow I don't know that May's VA retired! For emergency reasons too! She's been ill for quite a while and she hasn't been in any voice acting roles since. And in the ORAS games, she didn't voice May, but Kana Hanazawa voiced her instead. So if KAORI isn't there then May wouldn't come back at all. But there is also this but I haven't noticed any roles from her in the series. It makes me think they actually did replace her with Serena. www.pocketmonsters.net/articles/1922Apparently she has spasmodic dysphonia, which would have made her ill suited for voice acting. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasmodic_dysphoniaWow that's too bad. I kinda liked May's voice y'know and I would've loved to see her on screen with Drew...
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Post by satohika on Sept 27, 2016 13:27:15 GMT
She's been ill for quite a while and she hasn't been in any voice acting roles since. And in the ORAS games, she didn't voice May, but Kana Hanazawa voiced her instead. So if KAORI isn't there then May wouldn't come back at all. But there is also this but I haven't noticed any roles from her in the series. It makes me think they actually did replace her with Serena. www.pocketmonsters.net/articles/1922Apparently she has spasmodic dysphonia, which would have made her ill suited for voice acting. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasmodic_dysphoniaWow that's too bad. I kinda liked May's voice y'know and I would've loved to see her on screen with Drew... Serena replaced May and it seems Amour is a bit like Contest with all the blushes. This can't be a coincidence. Just like how Dawn replaced Misty.
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Post by evilpearlzrox1 on Sept 27, 2016 14:28:01 GMT
Wow that's too bad. I kinda liked May's voice y'know and I would've loved to see her on screen with Drew... Serena replaced May and it seems Amour is a bit like Contest with all the blushes. This can't be a coincidence. Just like how Dawn replaced Misty. ;( that's just too bad for me seeing as I support Contestshipping almost just as much as Pearlshipping!
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Post by IceArceus on Sept 27, 2016 17:47:51 GMT
Serena replaced May and it seems Amour is a bit like Contest with all the blushes. This can't be a coincidence. Just like how Dawn replaced Misty. ;( that's just too bad for me seeing as I support Contestshipping almost just as much as Pearlshipping! Except a core point of May's character wasn't mooning after Drew, which is a key difference. Amour is like Contest in terms of blushing, but I think that's as far as the similarities go. Also with young anime girls there's only so much variation you can do with the poses.
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