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Post by pkpeachbomber on Oct 7, 2015 15:52:21 GMT
Time for some more Amourshipping vs Pearlshipping comparisons: Everyone knows about Serena returning an item to Ash at the beginning of the XY journey, but did you know Dawn returned something of Ash's as well? Just like with Serena, Dawn return the item during the beginning of the DP journey. And the item that Dawn returned was even more important: Ash's Pikachu. When Team Rocket kidnapped Pikachu, it was up to Dawn to bring him back to his trainer Ash. In fact, saving Pikachu was the reason Ash and Dawn met in the first place. The obvious difference between these two is that the handkerchief was in Serena's possession for years whereas Pikachu had only recently fell into her hands. With Serena they wanted to emphasize the whole "childhood love story" thing, and the handkerchief was a part of. I know that many would say that #AmourWins here because the handkerchief was actually related to shipping through blushing, having a lovely childhood backstory, and having feelings for Ash. But I would say Dawn returning Pikachu is just as important if you bar the crush aspect that XY hyped up. Without Dawn's efforts, Ash would have lost his Pikachu. Think about that; Dawn was necessary in order for Ash to be the Pikachu-owning trainer he is today! Ash certainly cares more for his Pikachu than his old handkerchief, wouldn't you agree? I agree! Also, it's not like ash needed that thing. For all we know, he probably bought a new one, thinking he lost it. It's stated in BW, when iris and ash have that falling out, he says that he would never leave his Pokémon when they needed him because they were special friends. He then realized that iris was his special friend too because Cilan knocked sense into him. His Pokémon are just as important to him as his friends! It's safe to say that Pikachu was more important than the hankie, but that's a given and you probably didn't need evidence for that. Also, dawn didn't have to return pikachu. She also went through single handedly taking down team rocket in her first real (and unofficial) trainer battle to ensure Pikachu was safe. She could have left him there. But she didn't because she thought of how upset that trainer would have been. Which in my opinion is a lot more powerful than serena's hankie, which she just used as an excuse to talk to him again. Edit: dawn also backtracked to go return pikachu, so, she was clearly worried about this Pokémon and trainer. Keep in mind, she already had enough detours as it was in those 2 or 3 episodes
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Post by NovaStorm on Oct 8, 2015 11:31:17 GMT
Also, dawn didn't have to return pikachu. She also went through single handedly taking down team rocket in her first real (and unofficial) trainer battle to ensure Pikachu was safe. She could have left him there. But she didn't because she thought of how upset that trainer would have been. Which in my opinion is a lot more powerful than serena's hankie, which she just used as an excuse to talk to him again. You deserve a medal for this statement right here! Here's another comparison: (idea by SakuraBlossom) Everyone knows that Serena was the first Pokegirl to be asked by Ash himself into the group. Dawn, however, was the first to have Ash's consent to join. If you remember back to OS and AG, Misty and May didn't actually have Ash's approval to join with him; they just went along for the ride after their bikes were fried. Dawn, on the other hand, asked for Ash's consetl to join them. After Ash checked with Brock to make sure he was okay, Dawn became a companion of Ash's! Many see this as an "Oh, Serena is special and Ash likes her more than any other Pokegirl" proof. But how else would have Serena got into the group? Serena would not have directly asked Ash herself; that is not her character. Or if Ash and co. said, "By Serena, nice to meet you", Serena would nervously follow the group and eventually muster up the courage to ask. But why would the writers do that? That would take up too much effort compared to just having the group leader Ash ask Serena in. The point is that there was really no other choice; Serena had to be asked by Ash. Dawn, on the other hand, was confident when starting her journey. She could easily ask to travel with Ash! Another thing to understand is how Ash shows how much he "cares" for Serena when asking her. It is true that Serena helped Ash win his first gym battle, which is why you can see Ash scratching his face in the picture. But's it's also kind of obligatory; Ash is returning the favor after all of Serena's assistance. If you look back into Ash's past, Ash has always been more successful when . This is especially true with Dawn who supported Ash with cheerleading, techniques, trading, training, and more. So of course Ash is going to want similar support in Kalos without Dawn around, which in this case happens to be Serena. You can also see that Bonnie is even more excited to have Serena by running to her an grabbing her wrist. Clemont is also delighted and tells Serena "It'll be fun" in this scene. Unlike most cases where it was Ash and the Pokegirl by themselves, Ash's entire group was urging Serena alongside him. With his current companions Clemont and Bonnie being happy with the possibility of Serena joining, how could Ash not ask? Lastly, this is XY Ash we're talking about. Can you imagine BW Ash or before doing this with a Pokegirl? I don't think so. XY Ash (not DP) would have gone above and beyond if he wanted to ask Dawn, especially after she saved his most important Pokémon Pikachu. However, he didn't need to because Dawn was assertive in asking first.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Oct 8, 2015 17:56:14 GMT
Also, dawn didn't have to return pikachu. She also went through single handedly taking down team rocket in her first real (and unofficial) trainer battle to ensure Pikachu was safe. She could have left him there. But she didn't because she thought of how upset that trainer would have been. Which in my opinion is a lot more powerful than serena's hankie, which she just used as an excuse to talk to him again. You deserve a medal for this statement right here! Here's another comparison: (idea by SakuraBlossom) Everyone knows that Serena was the first Pokegirl to be asked by Ash himself into the group. Dawn, however, was the first to have Ash's consent to join. If you remember back to OS and AG, Misty and May didn't actually have Ash's approval to join with him; they just went along for the ride after their bikes were fried. Dawn, on the other hand, asked for Ash's consetl to join them. After Ash checked with Brock to make sure he was okay, Dawn became a companion of Ash's! Many see this as an "Oh, Serena is special and Ash likes her more than any other Pokegirl" proof. But how else would have Serena got into the group? Serena would not have directly asked Ash herself; that is not her character. Or if Ash and co. said, "By Serena, nice to meet you", Serena would nervously follow the group and eventually muster up the courage to ask. But why would the writers do that? That would take up too much effort compared to just having the group leader Ash ask Serena in. The point is that there was really no other choice; Serena had to be asked by Ash. Dawn, on the other hand, was confident when starting her journey. She could easily ask to travel with Ash! Another thing to understand is how Ash shows how much he "cares" for Serena when asking her. It is true that Serena helped Ash win his first gym battle, which is why you can see Ash scratching his face in the picture. But's it's also kind of obligatory; Ash is returning the favor after all of Serena's assistance. If you look back into Ash's past, Ash has always been more successful when . This is especially true with Dawn who supported Ash with cheerleading, techniques, trading, training, and more. So of course Ash is going to want similar support in Kalos without Dawn around, which in this case happens to be Serena. You can also see that Bonnie is even more excited to have Serena by running to her an grabbing her wrist. Clemont is also delighted and tells Serena "It'll be fun" in this scene. Unlike most cases where it was Ash and the Pokegirl by themselves, Ash's entire group was urging Serena alongside him. With his current companions Clemont and Bonnie being happy with the possibility of Serena joining, how could Ash not ask? Lastly, this is XY Ash we're talking about. Can you imagine BW Ash or before doing this with a Pokegirl? I don't think so. XY Ash (not DP) would have gone above and beyond if he wanted to ask Dawn, especially after she saved his most important Pokémon Pikachu. Aw thank you! I love my otp to death and will support them no matter what. But, I don't think I can take the medal- *YOU* deserve the medal. This is perfect! You're absolutely right. It's not in serena's character to ask him- she's too shy. Iris wasn't like this- she was pompous and proud; she invited herself. Dawn was confident and energetic so of course she had the guts to ask him. She had more self composure than iris and wasn't gonna just invite herself as if she was obligated like iris. Serena was to timid and shy to ask HER CRUSH if she could travel the country with him. Dawn thought the experienceD trainers could help her. Serena just wants ash. She had really no other reason to travel with him anyway- she didn't have a goal or purpose to be a trainer at the time. I think serena couldn't have asked. She didn't have a concrete excuse to cover up her crush
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Post by NovaStorm on Oct 10, 2015 11:35:33 GMT
Serena was to timid and shy to ask HER CRUSH if she could travel the country with him. Perfect reason right there. Of course Serena isn't going to ask, so Ash asking would have been the only way. Ok, now how about this one... Just like May's Pokeblocks, Dawn has her poffins and Serena has her Poke Puffs. I'm going to be honest and say that Amour wins this comparison. Poke Puffs have been more connected to Amour hints more than poffins are connected to Pearlshipping hints. For one, poffins increase contest stats whereas poke puffs increase affection. Two different items. More importantly, Poffins are Pokémon food only. Poke Puffs are enjoyed by both people and Pokémon. There's no way Ash is supposed to eat Dawn's poffins in the first place! If Poffins were Pokémon and human food, I guarantee Ash would be fanboying over Dawn. I guarantee it. Especially if Pearlshipping was in the XY saga. Remember how the in-game effect of a Poke Puff is that it increases affection? Amourshippers might use this as a parallel and say Serena increases Ash's affection for her by feeding Poke Puffs to him. In other words, they could use Poke Puff's affection to confirm Ash's affection. So in the end, Poffins aren't human food so they can't really win Ash's heart or stomach. But that's why there's this next comparison... Dawn's cooking > Serena's baking Ash loves Serena's Poke Puffs and cookies, but that's all there is to her - desserts. What many people don't realize is that Dawn can cook meals for Ash - that goes beyond the dessert level! This of course is assuming Serena does not cook meals in the future. And if Serena learns how to cook meals out of nowhere, then you'll see why some Pearlshippers feel Serena gets everything handed to her (basically spoiled). Remember, Brock had to teach Dawn how to do some cooking; her abilities didn't appear from thin air. This better apply to Serena; she needs to be taught and that is unlikely. But anyway, the real situation here is that Serena's baking is emphasized while Dawn's cookng is not. You see, Serena's baking is a component of her showcase competitions. Contests, on the other hand, do not have any cooking. But this comparison is not about that. The point of this is to show that Serena is not the only one; Dawn can cook too (and beyond what Serena can do) for Ash! In the episode "Hungry for the Good Life", Dawn asks to use Mr. Backlot's kitchen; she's a confident chef! In the episode "Three Sides to Every Story", Dawn helps Brock and the other girl cook dinner! All of this is heavily overshadowed by everything related to Dawn (unfortunately), but it exists. Just imagine if you were Ash. Would you want a desert-only wife or a wife that can feed you meals? As IceArceus told me, it all comes down to "who's the better waifu" for Ash. I know most fans out there will insist Serena the best and only cooking wife for Ash. But we Pearlshippers know that Dawn can cook just as well if not better for Ash. And wait, Serena gets the term baking, not cooking. I would take cooking over baking any day. And I hope Ash would take it too.
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Post by pkpeachbomber on Oct 10, 2015 18:35:25 GMT
You should try a and Amour vs pearl for Serena supporting ash vs dawn supporting ash! I wanna see who did it better.
I'm on team cheerleader
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Post by NovaStorm on Oct 15, 2015 10:07:30 GMT
First the meme version of the food comparison:
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Post by NovaStorm on Dec 28, 2015 22:45:28 GMT
Ok since I am leaving here is the final Amourshipping vs Pearlshipping comparison I will make a picture for: This is the primary, central difference between Amourshipping and Pearlshipping. After countless observations, it is clear Amourshippers seek the best romance and Pearlshippers seek the best relationship. We have completely different values. Pearlshipping values mutualism, compromising, making up, working together, a strong bond, harmony, and Ash and Dawn as a duo. Amourshipping values gestures, compliments, attraction, blushing, hugging, and Serena herself. Amourshippers want to downplay Pearlshipping and say that it merely has the best friendship? Relationship downplayed to friendship? Well, romance should be downplayed to the best crush. No matter how exclusive people think Ash's actions to Serena are - the simple truth is, Ash is just being friendly. He doesn't show any particular favoritism towards Serena. Anything that appears to be so is something XY Ash would easily say to another girl. Why is Pearlshipping's relationship seeking still valid when romance is the end goal? It's because Pokémon isn't about romance or the characters - the focus is on creatures and the bond that humans have with them. That's why the bond between Ash and Greninja in XY&Z is getting 50x more focus than Amourshipping - it's the cake! Amour is just the icing fanservice to create hype, appear super sweet, and to keep people watching. A crush is common. Even romance is common. But an inseparable, everlasting relationship is rare. We Pearlshippers appreciate the special, unique, one-of-a-kind pairing of Ash and Dawn.
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Post by evilpearlzrox1 on Dec 31, 2015 13:42:37 GMT
*nods* makes sense, makes sense
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Post by satohika on Jul 13, 2016 4:10:58 GMT
Amourshipping is not even comparable to Pearlshipping. The two relationships have a very different dynamic compared each other. Serena doesn't even know who or what Satoshi really is. It's completely one sided, we know Serena has a crush on him and its apparent to everyone. But Hikari can read him like the back of her hand and their friendship is mutual. I have a feeling that Serena would be kept in the dark until she knows who Satoshi really is, when she grows out of her obvious crush or meeting with Hikari. Going by the sounds of this, they're begging for a meeting between Hikari and Serena. And only when Serena gets acquainted with Hikari, only then Serena will know what kind of a person Satoshi really is.
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Post by PikaFUSION on Jul 24, 2016 19:22:45 GMT
Time for some more Amourshipping vs Pearlshipping comparisons: Everyone knows about Serena returning an item to Ash at the beginning of the XY journey, but did you know Dawn returned something of Ash's as well? Just like with Serena, Dawn return the item during the beginning of the DP journey. And the item that Dawn returned was even more important: Ash's Pikachu. When Team Rocket kidnapped Pikachu, it was up to Dawn to bring him back to his trainer Ash. In fact, saving Pikachu was the reason Ash and Dawn met in the first place. The obvious difference between these two is that the handkerchief was in Serena's possession for years whereas Pikachu had only recently fell into her hands. With Serena they wanted to emphasize the whole "childhood love story" thing, and the handkerchief was a part of. I know that many would say that #AmourWins here because the handkerchief was actually related to shipping through blushing, having a lovely childhood backstory, and having feelings for Ash. But I would say Dawn returning Pikachu is just as important if you bar the crush aspect that XY hyped up. Without Dawn's efforts, Ash would have lost his Pikachu. Think about that; Dawn was necessary in order for Ash to be the Pikachu-owning trainer he is today! Ash certainly cares more for his Pikachu than his old handkerchief, wouldn't you agree? I agree! Also, it's not like ash needed that thing. For all we know, he probably bought a new one, thinking he lost it. It's stated in BW, when iris and ash have that falling out, he says that he would never leave his Pokémon when they needed him because they were special friends. He then realized that iris was his special friend too because Cilan knocked sense into him. His Pokémon are just as important to him as his friends! It's safe to say that Pikachu was more important than the hankie, but that's a given and you probably didn't need evidence for that. Also, dawn didn't have to return pikachu. She also went through single handedly taking down team rocket in her first real (and unofficial) trainer battle to ensure Pikachu was safe. She could have left him there. But she didn't because she thought of how upset that trainer would have been. Which in my opinion is a lot more powerful than serena's hankie, which she just used as an excuse to talk to him again. Edit: dawn also backtracked to go return pikachu, so, she was clearly worried about this Pokémon and trainer. Keep in mind, she already had enough detours as it was in those 2 or 3 episodes I agree.Just look at Ash's face when Serena returned the handkerchief, he looked like he didn't want it! Also Ash seemed more pleased when Dawn returned Pikachu
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