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Post by Nesh on Aug 28, 2017 23:02:27 GMT
So this idea just struck me and I know I shouldn't start another fic, but it won't let me be until I start plotting it. It would be a Pearlshipping fic obviously. So from the anime we know that Paul didn't travel through his native Sinnoh region first, going through Kanto Johto and Hoenn before we meet him. So my thought was what if Ash after getting Pikachu traveled through Sinnoh first instead of Kanto. The logistics of this are up in the air but my intial thought is that Oak gets a call from Rowan while Ash is in his lab and that inspires Ash to go through Sinnoh instead of Kanto since the anime already plays fast and loose with time (enterally tean year old Ash) he could start at the same time as Dawn. Now this has several huge effects on things: - No Brock or Misty
- No Spearow flock/Route 1 shenanigans so getting Pikachu to behave will be much harder
- No Team Rocket Trio
- Ash's maturity level and experience will be much lower, which would affect his relationship with Dawn
I'm leaning toward not including Paul as Ash would be ill-equipped to handle him in this scenario. There's a lot to consider and I'd love to hear ideas on how it should be handled.
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Post by Nesh on Aug 29, 2017 23:04:21 GMT
Doing some rewatching and poking around I'm starting to get feel for some of the changes that will be happening early on in the fic and I can already see that both Ash and Dawn's teams will need total reworks. Ash's team is going to be hit particularly hard in the early going. - Ash won't have Aipom, that will come into play later
- No team Rocket meams Pikachu doesn't get lost so Ash won't need to catch a Starly to search for it, but he'd probably catch one anyway.
- No Turtwig, as they met Turtwig as a direct result of Team Rocket.
- Removing Paul because rookie Ash isn't ready for that strong a rival means no Chimchar
- No Aipom means no trading for Buziel.
As you can see Ash is going to need some different Pokémon. Of course Dawn's team changes as well but not quite as drastically.
- No Buneary, they met her thanks to Aipom's antics.
- Dawn keeps Buziel.
So yeah the rosters will need some reworking, happy to hear ideas on that.
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Post by chosenone151 on Aug 29, 2017 23:52:13 GMT
Damn, that'd be jarring, but it opens up more opportunities! Ash could still catch Gligar; maybe he could get Gible earlier on? It could be the staple Pokémon that ends up being difficult to work with once it starts evolving, since Ash won't have Charmander.
Ash and Dawn... I can see them arguing and trash talking a lot; Ash is still his pre-series self, who had a lot of walls up, considering that his social life kinda sucked in Pallet Town. Making up and explaining feelings wouldn't be nearly as easy as it was in DP, and Dawn started off pretty immature, herself. So they'd both have to grow a lot together.
Ash would still be vaguely misogynistic (not extremely, just a few bad morals from growing up at home) and disdainful of "girly" things, which could create a lot of tension with Dawn; but, on the other hand, it'd give him an opportunity to learn his lesson about those things much quicker, and in a more graceful way than just having him banned from a gym and forgetting about the lesson altogether.
Also, since this is so early in their journeys and they're still ten, like legitimately; not 'the writers say they're eternally young' ten; any notions of them having a relationship would have to be considered as something that would happen much later on; probably long after their first journey, this one would just set the stage for them growing closer. Both of them are far too immature for that, nor do they care about it, currently. That doesn't mean there can't be a bit of puppy love/romantic tension, though, just neither of them would have any idea what it was or how to handle it.
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Post by Nesh on Aug 30, 2017 0:00:50 GMT
chosenone151 Yeah all of that is true. They would bicker a lot but Ash would likely gain a lot of respect for Dawn once he sees the cool stuff that can be done in Contest battles. Gible Gliscor are still fair game. Honestly both of them are going to have a lot more trouble. I was thinking about having Ash being involved in the Ariados incident as a replacement for the Spearow incident. I don't see either of them getting as far in their goals as they did in canon Sinnoh, which likely frees up Dawn to continue traveling with Ash.
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Post by chosenone151 on Aug 30, 2017 0:04:25 GMT
Yeah that's true. It'd take him time, but he'd adjust. Ash early on is actually a pretty nuanced character, more than people give him credit for. He's not really ever a bad person, just rude and immature. He's tough to get right.
And yeah, they would be difficult to train without all of Ash's experience. Plus, without Misty and Brock to give advice... Ash and Dawn will be two rookie kids running around clueless lol. If they learn anything, it'd have to be from people they run into.
Hm... I feel like that's Dawn and Piplup's moment. It's your call, but I'd leave that alone and give Ash and Pikachu a different incident to work with. Maybe it won't happen right away; let Pikachu be a challenge for a bit. But Ash and Dawn paralleling each other is an important part of their chemistry, too.
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Post by Nesh on Aug 30, 2017 0:08:13 GMT
Hm... I feel like that's Dawn and Piplup's moment. It's your call, but I'd leave that alone and give Ash and Pikachu a different incident to work with. Maybe it won't happen right away; let Pikachu be a challenge for a bit. But Ash and Dawn paralleling each other is an important part of their chemistry, too. I see your point, I'll have to do some thinking on that and think about what other Pokémon the two of them should catch. |
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Post by chosenone151 on Aug 30, 2017 0:15:09 GMT
There's always the option of letting them get some of their Pokémon through alternative means, but I could see why you'd want to do something fresh, too.
Ash could still get Starly. Wishcash would be a good staple goofy, not so speedy but sturdy Pokémon that Ash tends to get. So that'd mean Barboach first.
Maybe Geodude, too.
It could be a good opportunity to give Ash a Riolu? I know that's kind of borrowing from my story, but it'd be a great way for Ash to learn responsibility when he hasn't had the chance to, yet. Just a thought.
Sinnoh has Snorunt/Glalie, too.
Dawn could get a Grimer, since she loved those!
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Post by Nesh on Aug 30, 2017 0:20:01 GMT
I was thinking about giving Ash a female Burmy, probably ending up with a trash cloak before it evolves. I always preferred Frotlass to Glailie, but that's more Dawn's style...
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Post by chosenone151 on Aug 30, 2017 0:26:20 GMT
Oh, cool! I hadn't thought of that, but go for it.
Yeah, I'd say so. I dunno I really like Ash's Glalie but it's your fic haha
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Post by Nesh on Aug 30, 2017 0:32:54 GMT
Oh come to think of it Buneary was the reason Dawn didn't go with Ash back to Kanto, since Dawn won't have Buneary that makes her going with Ash in fic a lot simpler.
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need a break from that. I cannot express how much more I appreciate fan-translations of anything now