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Post by LuigiKartDS on Jun 17, 2017 11:18:31 GMT
So I was browsing the AmourShipping page on Bulbapedia to see if there was any "hints" that don't really belong, and sure enough, there were lots. There was the occasional "Ash gives Serena confidence" and "When Serena [does something], Ash smiles", but then there was this in the "Other Hints" section:
"After Serena asks Ash if he remembers her, Ash's Pikachu and Fletchling run to Clemont and Bonnie in response, implying that the two Pokémon sense that this is a sensitive moment between Ash and Serena and that they should be left alone."
Make out what you want from this, but from my perspective, this is once again Serena fans trying to make every thing (even if it's unrelated like this one) a hint. This is nothing new, and this was probably up there for a while before I found it, but noticing this now (plus the new Sun/Moon anime going on), I'm still amazed that people still like Serena.
Now, I don't HATE Serena. If anything, even from a PearlShipper's perspective, she has a good personality that fits her and her crush on Ash. What bugs me to death are the fans (for obvious reasons) because they constantly talk about her, and how she's the "best" Pokégirl and when you say otherwise, they go nuts.
And there's another thing: they are very defensive on their ship. They are standing up for what they support, which is good. But when things don't go their way, they change their mind and contradict themselves, which isn't good. I have experienced this in the past; before Serena and Ash's argument, the fans say that they are the best because they never fight. But once that episode airs, they decide that fighting is good in a relationship. What? That's completely contradicting your first opinion.
Now, to be fair, that argument was serious; not your Ash and Misty/Dawn arguments where they were over little things. Here, Serena may have not acted maturely (throwing a snowball at him isn't going to solve the issue), but her words were clear: Ash was not being himself. That's a serious thing, and the writers handled it maturely (the writers did, Serena didn't). But as I said: AmourShippers will do anything to claim Amour is canon, even if they have to contradict themselves such as here.
Serena's crush is like Duck from "Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends" (yes I watch that show deal with it; as long as you stay away from Seasons 8-16 you're set to go). They are quite similar: fans want a proper crush with Ash while when Thomas was run by people who were only there for the revenue, fans wanted to see many classic characters to return, like Duck. Sure enough, when each series got new writers, we all got what we wanted. But the XY anime has pushed it so much it's a pain to watch, and Duck has appeared in many episodes where he isn't needed. Both occasions, it's annoying. Many fans only like the episodes because Serena shows signs of liking Ash and because Duck is in the episode. Luckily, this only lasted for a few seasons and with the Sun/Moon anime and new seasons, this type of fan-service has died down. Both shipping hints and Duck's appearance are a lot more subtle and less fan-servicy in the newer seasons.
I'll stop there but what do you think? Are the AmourShippers desperate to keep Amour afloat? Or is Bulbapedia right and do the hints really belong up and are actual "hints"? You decide.
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Post by princessbisket on Jun 17, 2017 21:49:54 GMT
Amourshippers have been the most obnoxious out of all the Pokémon shippers in history imo. They ignore Iris/BW to make their ship look better, try to put down other hints for shippings to make a moment look better, & use every kind thing ash has done to Serena as a hint that 'he likes her back' when he's done that to practically all his friends. They say he treats her special with no proof. And if you dare like another ash ship, you are 'stupid, wrong, & should go kill yourself.' It's gone past the point of them hoping it'll happen. Most of them are pretty psychotic about MAKING it happen. I remember once it was revealed Serena isn't going to be with ash in alola, in trailers they were THREATENING to go to the writers to kill them cuz of that decision alone. It makes me kind of feel bad for Serena, as most people care more that ash gets shoved with her, then her actual character.
As for the hints, all hints are fans interpretation. And bulbapedia I heard can be pretty biased anyways, & not really a good place to get hints. Tbh, that 'hint' seems more legit than 'ash is shown to have a crush on Misty, cuz he was upset with Rudy not paying proper attention to what ash was doing like he was supposed to.' ð
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Post by LuigiKartDS on Jun 19, 2017 8:54:52 GMT
Amourshippers have been the most obnoxious out of all the Pokémon shippers in history imo. They ignore Iris/BW to make their ship look better, try to put down other hints for shippings to make a moment look better, & use every kind thing ash has done to Serena as a hint that 'he likes her back' when he's done that to practically all his friends. They say he treats her special with no proof. And if you dare like another ash ship, you are 'stupid, wrong, & should go kill yourself.' It's gone past the point of them hoping it'll happen. Most of them are pretty psychotic about MAKING it happen. I remember once it was revealed Serena isn't going to be with ash in alola, in trailers they were THREATENING to go to the writers to kill them cuz of that decision alone. It makes me kind of feel bad for Serena, as most people care more that ash gets shoved with her, then her actual character. As for the hints, all hints are fans interpretation. And bulbapedia I heard can be pretty biased anyways, & not really a good place to get hints. Tbh, that 'hint' seems more legit than 'ash is shown to have a crush on Misty, cuz he was upset with Rudy not paying proper attention to what ash was doing like he was supposed to.' 😒 PokeShippers are like that, too. They too can become riled up when someone disses Ash's relstionship with Misty. And I agree; the "hint" I mentioned is a bit "jesus christ guys", but compared to the "hint" you mentioned, yeah, the XY "hint" is much more of a "hint".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 20:35:10 GMT
Amourshippers have been the most obnoxious out of all the Pokémon shippers in history imo. They ignore Iris/BW to make their ship look better, try to put down other hints for shippings to make a moment look better, & use every kind thing ash has done to Serena as a hint that 'he likes her back' when he's done that to practically all his friends. They say he treats her special with no proof. And if you dare like another ash ship, you are 'stupid, wrong, & should go kill yourself.' It's gone past the point of them hoping it'll happen. Most of them are pretty psychotic about MAKING it happen. I remember once it was revealed Serena isn't going to be with ash in alola, in trailers they were THREATENING to go to the writers to kill them cuz of that decision alone. It makes me kind of feel bad for Serena, as most people care more that ash gets shoved with her, then her actual character. As for the hints, all hints are fans interpretation. And bulbapedia I heard can be pretty biased anyways, & not really a good place to get hints. Tbh, that 'hint' seems more legit than 'ash is shown to have a crush on Misty, cuz he was upset with Rudy not paying proper attention to what ash was doing like he was supposed to.' 😒 PokeShippers are like that, too. They too can become riled up when someone disses Ash's relstionship with Misty. And I agree; the "hint" I mentioned is a bit "jesus christ guys", but compared to the "hint" you mentioned, yeah, the XY "hint" is much more of a "hint". Amourshippers can be really stupid
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Post by kuzehiko on Oct 16, 2017 5:58:04 GMT
AmourShippers are so sensitive to the point of being so toxic. I can't keep up a debate with an AmourShippers cause they only listen to what they wanna say. They hate Dawn and Misty the most given Misty was the first PokeGirl and Dawn has been pretty much the most popular.
I personally do not hate Serena I even somewhat like her character but she is highly overrated. I think Amour is no different to PearlShipping or PokéShipping given on how despite she has a ''canon crush'' on him it still is one-sided so nothing changes compared to the others.
There are so many invented Amourshipping hints that you just can't scroll down on Bulbapedia. I haven't still forgotten the Pokedex hints which are a way too exaggerated and the one ''Pokémon anime ends with X&Y and Z. S&M is a spin-off.'' Lol.
It's a way too sad because when you see no flaws in a character like Serena it means the character is really a flawed one. It's not Serena's fault though but her fans'.
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Post by IceArceus on Oct 17, 2017 14:49:49 GMT
Your kidding me right? AmourShippers are so sensitive? You have the guts to say that AmourShippers are sensitive when literally this entire forum is PearlShipping hate toward Amour Can't keep up? Toxic? Wow, head over to the Amour forum or even Serebii. None of them spew as much hate as you lot do in this forum. If you want to judge a community by a couple of people, you guys aren't exactly being the best example of what's great in Pearl. BS like this pushed me away from Pearl. Are you simply just saying that because Amour has more Ash and Serena hints then Pearlshipping? Take a good long look at Amour's page. My advice? Instead of solely bashing other ships, focus on your own. God... I'll admit that this community earlier in like 2014 when it first started could be seen as toxic. But right now you're judging this entire forum just by your interpretation of one person's post as well. Have you seen our DataCore website? It's literally full of Pearlshipping, and that's what this has supposed to have been about from the start- compiling information and discussing Pearlshipping with other people who like it- cause as you probably know, the population of Pearlshippers was pretty low back then. A lot of Amourshipping, from what I've seen, is about it being better and more canon than all the other ships. I'm not saying that's true for all Amourshippers at all, but we're the last group of people who could be accused of not focusing on Pearlshipping. Just cause we talk about other ships too doesn't mean we don't focus on our own ship. And believe it or not, SOME amourshippers can be quite sensitive. As can Pearlshippers of course. I for one don't really care if anyone bashes Dawn or Pearlshipping cause they're fictional characters and ships, and everyone has a right to like or dislike something. But it's true, especially on youtube, that if you make a comment that doesn't remotely praise Serena, you get a lot of backlash. Like if I said "I can't really relate to Serena's principles so she's not really my favourite character". On the other hand if you bash Dawn then it is LESS LIKELY you get that much hate. simply because Amourshipping is far more popular I suspect, and you're far more likely to run into a Serena fan (and let's face it a lot of people in the youtube comments are quite hardcore fans) than you are to run into a rabid Dawn fan. So I'm sorry you got this impression from the forum, but I hope this helps clear things up.
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Post by kuzehiko on Oct 17, 2017 19:21:28 GMT
Your kidding me right? AmourShippers are so sensitive? You have the guts to say that AmourShippers are sensitive when literally this entire forum is PearlShipping hate toward Amour Can't keep up? Toxic? Wow, head over to the Amour forum or even Serebii. None of them spew as much hate as you lot do in this forum. If you want to judge a community by a couple of people, you guys aren't exactly being the best example of what's great in Pearl. BS like this pushed me away from Pearl. Are you simply just saying that because Amour has more Ash and Serena hints then Pearlshipping? Take a good long look at Amour's page. My advice? Instead of solely bashing other ships, focus on your own. God... I don't care whether this entire forum is complete hate towards Amour or not given I just registered two days ago so I do not know this forum that much. I am talking from my personal experience. Yeah, they can not and it's a fact to me. AmourShippers hate Dawn cause she is as much popular as Serena and Pearl has been one of the most popular shippings as well. Mostly every time I say my honest thoughts towards Amour all I get is bashing after bashing. Of course, there is also few Amours that are open mind and nice but not many though. I am pretty certain PearlShippers do not hate Serena but do hate her fans instead. I myself do not hate Serena, I even like her character but what do you expect PearlShippers to do when they get bashed? To either talk nice about Serena or Amour? I do not think so. It is not casual Amour has gotten too many hate threads so it is not only a bunch of people. No, I am not. I am saying this because I do acknowledge Amour's hints as genuine but when I say such Pearl hints like High Five are genuine as well you guys believe your shipping to be superior and demerit Pearl's hints as if they are not genuine neither. If you don't feel comfortable then why are you still staying? I wouldn't stay on a place if all I can find is only "hate" towards my shipping. Your advice really suits better for the AmourShippers that believe themselves to be superior than other shippers and bash our shipping.
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Just tired of bore... I mean amourshipping >.>
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Post by princessbisket on Oct 17, 2017 21:25:55 GMT
Your kidding me right? AmourShippers are so sensitive? You have the guts to say that AmourShippers are sensitive when literally this entire forum is PearlShipping hate toward Amour Can't keep up? Toxic? Wow, head over to the Amour forum or even Serebii. None of them spew as much hate as you lot do in this forum. If you want to judge a community by a couple of people, you guys aren't exactly being the best example of what's great in Pearl. BS like this pushed me away from Pearl. Are you simply just saying that because Amour has more Ash and Serena hints then Pearlshipping? Take a good long look at Amour's page. My advice? Instead of solely bashing other ships, focus on your own. God... Are YOU kidding? We are not threatening you people or attacking your ship at all, so how the f are we beinging ‘hateful’? Wow, talk about being sensitive🙄 and NO, there’s a lot more than ‘a couple’ bad toxic amourshippers. For fffs sake, a writer from the dance episode had to apologize to Pokémon fans cuz ash didn’t dance with Serena! That right there proves it’s way more than a couple! Maybe you should stop letting a couple bad pearlshppers ruin a ship for you. Yes I get there are good nice amourshippers out there & bad pearlshippers out there. But wake up for heavens sake! and of course there are no bad amourshippers on serebii! The rules there are strict and there’s no tolerance for toxic behavior there, & mods there do a pretty good job at doing there job. Why don’t you tell me about the ‘toxic’ pearlshippers there that ruined the ship there at seribii? And no, this site doesn’t just ‘pick on amourshippers.’ Have you not noticed all the other pearlshipping vs _______ threads? It’s not to attack other ships. It’s to talk anbout other ships in comparison. and the problem is that we looked at the amourshipping page for bulbpda. If bubpedia was fair about its hints & counted all hints it does for all the ships, then most likely amourshipping would have THE LEAST amount of hints out of ash/main girl ships (maybe discluding negaishipping).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 23:26:42 GMT
Guys, just ignore Powerup. I know him off Youtube and other forums. He has been attacking me, calling me names and been trying to start drama. Just ignore him as he leaves stupid comments on my YouTube channel.
Not trying to hate on Powerup, its just that all the stupid comments he leaves on my Youtube channel are annoying.
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Post by manqoba on Nov 13, 2017 23:48:49 GMT
Guys, just ignore Powerup. I know him off Serbii. He has been attacking me, calling me names and been trying to start drama. Just ignore him as he is just a massive jerk. Actually please ban him. Since when did calling someone out on a statement he made with no proof attacking? And now your a liar as well. FYI, no drama was made and no names were called unless you consider him calling me a jerk... Literally all I asked him were for sources to prove a claim he made Stand. Down. We're resolving this peacefully first.
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