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Post by satohika on Oct 30, 2016 17:59:15 GMT
You know, I've been watching some Amourshippers videos and all explain it was a kiss on the lips with the same argument: "Because it was censored it can't be on the cheek, it's gotta be on the lips" And this got me thinking... Isn't that worse for Amour considering the fact that Ash didn't even blush? I mean, yeah, he was looking pleasantly surprised/shocked, but if he didn't blush even a little it makes me think he didn't made a big deal out of it. Personally, I think it was on the cheek/forehead or instead it was a confession but I'm not sure. I think they trolled everyone, even Amourshippers. I've watched the scene over and over and nothing to me suggests that they kissed, people are drawing conclusions because that scene is censored but they made it open to interpretation. I feel that it's just not a kiss at all but an attempt of one. I just think she stumbled, lost her balance at the escalator and hesitated. That's why she had to tiptoe but couldn't reach Ash's face in time since the escalator started moving again. Ash moved his feet slightly so he held Serena's arms as she is about to lose balance and about to fall from the escalator. And then she put her arms behind her back as a way to regain balance. Why else would she blush and act all embarrassed if she were so confident? Knowing Serena, it's not surprising that she hesitated at the last moment. Pikachu, Clemont and Bonnie were pretty far away from Ash and Serena so they couldn't see the sides of their faces. I think about at least a few meters away from Ash and Serena. They thought Serena kissed Ash but Ash had little reaction at all. So only Serena and Ash know the full picture. Compared to Dawn, she isn't as athletic as she is but Dawn is less athletic than Iris. Again I shouldn't take things at face value like that 'kiss scene' because 47 isn't the real ending as we have one episode on the 10th of November.
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Post by Amsiulx on Oct 30, 2016 18:15:07 GMT
I think they trolled everyone, even Amourshippers. I've watched the scene over and over and nothing to me suggests that they kissed, people are drawing conclusions because that scene is censored but they made it open to interpretation. I feel that it's just not a kiss at all but an attempt of one. I just think she stumbled, lost her balance at the escalator and hesitated. That's why she had to tiptoe but couldn't reach Ash's face in time since the escalator started moving again. Ash moved his feet slightly so he held Serena's arms as she is about to lose balance and about to fall from the escalator. And then she put her arms behind her back as a way to regain balance. Why else would she blush and act all embarrassed if she were so confident? Knowing Serena, it's not surprising that she hesitated at the last moment. Pikachu, Clemont and Bonnie were pretty far away from Ash and Serena so they couldn't see the sides of their faces. I think about at least a few meters away from Ash and Serena. They thought Serena kissed Ash but Ash had little reaction at all. So only Serena and Ash know the full picture. Compared to Dawn, she isn't as athletic as she is but Dawn is less athletic than Iris. Again I shouldn't take things at face value like that 'kiss scene' because 47 isn't the real ending as we have one episode on the 10th of November. Considering Serena is not very athletic it would be more realistic if she had tripped yes, I think so too, but people will belive what they want to belive, hell, there's a poketuber who is already calling Amourshipping "Canon" and that Sun&Moon is a spin-off basing on the different message at the end of the chapter instead of the classic "This History will continue..."
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Post by satohika on Oct 30, 2016 18:30:02 GMT
I think they trolled everyone, even Amourshippers. I've watched the scene over and over and nothing to me suggests that they kissed, people are drawing conclusions because that scene is censored but they made it open to interpretation. I feel that it's just not a kiss at all but an attempt of one. I just think she stumbled, lost her balance at the escalator and hesitated. That's why she had to tiptoe but couldn't reach Ash's face in time since the escalator started moving again. Ash moved his feet slightly so he held Serena's arms as she is about to lose balance and about to fall from the escalator. And then she put her arms behind her back as a way to regain balance. Why else would she blush and act all embarrassed if she were so confident? Knowing Serena, it's not surprising that she hesitated at the last moment. Pikachu, Clemont and Bonnie were pretty far away from Ash and Serena so they couldn't see the sides of their faces. I think about at least a few meters away from Ash and Serena. They thought Serena kissed Ash but Ash had little reaction at all. So only Serena and Ash know the full picture. Compared to Dawn, she isn't as athletic as she is but Dawn is less athletic than Iris. Again I shouldn't take things at face value like that 'kiss scene' because 47 isn't the real ending as we have one episode on the 10th of November. Considering Serena is not very athletic it would be more realistic if she had tripped yes, I think so too, but people will belive what they want to belive, hell, there's a poketuber who is already calling Amourshipping "Canon" and that Sun&Moon is a spin-off basing on the different message at the end of the chapter instead of the classic "This History will continue..." For Serena's fate, there are two routes: 1) Serena actually kisses Ash, Amour becomes fully canon, SM is a reboot and Serena no longer needs development. Nobody will see Serena again. 2) Serena loses her balance, hesitates again and fails to kiss Ash, Amour is still one-sided canon, SM is a continuation and Serena goes to Alola (with Dawn) and slowly progresses in character development. The first one has a number of discrepancies in it and the second one feels more realistic given the clues we've been receiving. In terms of her character development with Ash, she is confident just not that confident, she still has a long way to go. The way people have been receiving this news is like an echo chamber. People repeat the same thing over and over again with rose-tinted glasses. If I were an Amourshipper, sure I would have liked to see it become canon but seemingly at the cost of Serena never returning, I would rather have Serena going to Alola and not kissing Ash instead.
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Post by carsfan on Oct 30, 2016 18:58:44 GMT
Do you think the fans and producers are right or wrong? answer me?!
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Post by Spartakos on Oct 31, 2016 14:33:35 GMT
Serena actually kisses Ash, Amour becomes fully canon, SM is a reboot and Serena no longer needs development. Nobody will see Serena again. A kiss doesn't make it cannon. And i don't think the writers would flush all the previous shippings that ran for 17 years and make amour cannon in only 3 years
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Post by carsfan on Oct 31, 2016 20:47:34 GMT
But on bulbapedia she kissed him on the mouth
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Post by satohika on Oct 31, 2016 21:10:27 GMT
Serena actually kisses Ash, Amour becomes fully canon, SM is a reboot and Serena no longer needs development. Nobody will see Serena again. A kiss doesn't make it cannon. And i don't think the writers would flush all the previous shippings that ran for 17 years and make amour cannon in only 3 years I'm just stating an example to show how Amourshipper (usually the hardcore Amour crowd) theories, speculation, etc. can go all over the place and not very well grounded in sound logic. It doesn't make any sense, that even Serena and Dawn to Alola makes more sense. In a sense, the only real shipping with Ash before was Pearlshipping, the others were sunk or not intended to be shipped in the first place. Misty was paired off with Tracey, May was paired off with Drew, Iris is paired off with Cilan but she is still wanting to be dragon master above all. They've tried shipping others with Dawn, but Dawn ultimately chose Ash because she wanted to support him and travel with him continuously. The writers did not to develop a strong bond with Ash and Serena just as they downplayed or diminished any romance between Ash and Dawn, meaning they're saving them for later.
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Post by PlatinumSun on Nov 1, 2016 21:08:38 GMT
But on bulbapedia she kissed him on the mouth Bulbapedia is a Pokémon Wikipedia where anyone can change it appropriately
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Post by pokemontrainer_A on Mar 25, 2020 15:02:49 GMT
OK, some of the things you said have happened to me. When Serena kissed Ash (EVERYONE in my middle school knew I was a Pearlshipper4life, I swear) a mean group of girls (not my friends) had made Anti-pearl fan art and stuck it inside my locker, b/c they were all Armourshippers. Except at the end of the day, I realized something. I still had the upper hand. They had only seen Pokémon from Gen.5 forward. I knew more, so deep down I knew I was technically right. (The mean acts stopped after someone had told the principal.) Either way, I know deep down Armourshippers then and still now are trying to happily smirk down on us Pearlshippers, even though they never gave it a chance. I HAD to give Armour a slight chance, but that didn't change my opinion one bit! They got what they wanted, FOR NOW. Anyway my point is, Armourshippers, or many of them, didn't even give the Pearl side a chance!
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Post by chloedawn on Mar 27, 2020 14:32:51 GMT
OK, some of the things you said have happened to me. When Serena kissed Ash (EVERYONE in my middle school knew I was a Pearlshipper4life, I swear) a mean group of girls (not my friends) had made Anti-pearl fan art and stuck it inside my locker, b/c they were all Armourshippers. Except at the end of the day, I realized something. I still had the upper hand. They had only seen Pokémon from Gen.5 forward. I knew more, so deep down I knew I was technically right. (The mean acts stopped after someone had told the principal.) Either way, I know deep down Armourshippers then and still now are trying to happily smirk down on us Pearlshippers, even though they never gave it a chance. I HAD to give Armour a slight chance, but that didn't change my opinion one bit! They got what they wanted, FOR NOW. Anyway my point is, Armourshippers, or many of them, didn't even give the Pearl side a chance! How dare they treat you like that, they shouldn't do horrible thing to you. If Dawn really kiss Ash, I wouldn't do such disgraceful thing to them (Like maybe a little..? nah bad idea ) Just kidding we couldn't do that hahaha;) At least we didn't make Anti-fan art XD lucky someone had told the principal, Smart Move. But I was grateful that you have an open mind not to revenge this people (although i wish we could XD ) Pearl Shippers will always in our heart, so don't let other stop us!
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